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Blackadder defined the difference between them rather better than that...
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Blackadder defined the difference between them rather better than that...
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud-Fw3SlQ2w
byegad
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numbnuts
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so your the one of the 10% then, or someone else was praying for you
byegad
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so your the one of the 10% then, or someone else was praying for you
I'm definitely one of the 10% and I resent massively the implication that anyone is 'praying for me!'
I'm waiting for a scan to see about a tumour in my brain and no way will I change my position that gods are a product of an ignorant, uneducated mind.
Our ancestors believed in lots of gods all of which the modern religions laugh about. I did a comparative religion course at Durham in the early 70s and that WAS the case. They even took the mickey about other monotheistic religions and their take on polytheistic religions was amazing.
If the sky pixie is part of your life it is certainly not part of mine and the implication that other 'believers' are making up for my atheism is so insulting that I can't begin to tell you how much!
I'd much rather place my 'faith' in the skills of my surgeon that some construct made up for inadequate minds.
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I do hope all goes well with your scan.
byegad
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What I would like to know is.....
Along the course of our evolutionary path, why did Hominid upright walking H.X lose 75% of its muscular strength from that of our common ancestor with the chimpanzee?
I could do with some of Mr Chimp's ( PTR ) leg strength.
And also, where did the HAR ( Human Accelerated Region ) of H.Sapien's DNA come from?
Only HSA ( Homo Sapiens ) has it. According to UC Santa Cruz, they are the genes which determine brain function during the early fetal stage of gestation.
Was H.Erectus et al as strong as a chimp? and then someone messed with its DNA? H.Erectus lost its strength and increased its brain size to become H.Sapiens.
There are 'God myths' that says this did happen.
Antropology and archeology are still working on it.
Along the course of our evolutionary path, why did Hominid upright walking H.X lose 75% of its muscular strength from that of our common ancestor with the chimpanzee?
I could do with some of Mr Chimp's ( PTR ) leg strength.
And also, where did the HAR ( Human Accelerated Region ) of H.Sapien's DNA come from?
Only HSA ( Homo Sapiens ) has it. According to UC Santa Cruz, they are the genes which determine brain function during the early fetal stage of gestation.
Was H.Erectus et al as strong as a chimp? and then someone messed with its DNA? H.Erectus lost its strength and increased its brain size to become H.Sapiens.
There are 'God myths' that says this did happen.
Antropology and archeology are still working on it.
byegad
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Given the number of failed primate types which walked upright and had larger brains than Chimps there seems to have been, surely evolution meant the bigger brain of our species was the survival factor. We know it was a close run thing and the Homo Sapiens species was down to really low population numbers at some point, it was down to luck as well.
Most of my father's family develop Hypothyroidism in later years.
Early syptoms are Muscle cramps and joint pain, which I get. Muscle hypotonia which I don't have yet. Thin and brittle hair and fingernails, which I have. Depression, which I get now and again. Weight gain and water retention, which I battle with every day.
I just have to accept that its due.
Everyone on the planet has some sort of genetic abnormality due to us all being descended from a handful of female specimens in SE Africa 160,000 years ago. That's not me saying this, that's the wonderful Dr Alice Roberts on the telly.
To die early is our fate.
Now stop arguing about God and get out on that bike.
Early syptoms are Muscle cramps and joint pain, which I get. Muscle hypotonia which I don't have yet. Thin and brittle hair and fingernails, which I have. Depression, which I get now and again. Weight gain and water retention, which I battle with every day.
I just have to accept that its due.
Everyone on the planet has some sort of genetic abnormality due to us all being descended from a handful of female specimens in SE Africa 160,000 years ago. That's not me saying this, that's the wonderful Dr Alice Roberts on the telly.
To die early is our fate.
Now stop arguing about God and get out on that bike.
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The Bible talks about God creating night and day. It also talks about a God who is timeless -was, is, is to come etc.
So, if time is part of creation which God is outside of, then by asking what created or came before God is a question within the creation which he is outside of.
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Why don't we ask The Reverand Dawkins?
The Bible talks about God creating night and day. It also talks about a God who is timeless -was, is, is to come etc.
So, if time is part of creation which God is outside of, then by asking what created or came before God is a question within the creation which he is outside of.
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Why don't we ask The Reverand Dawkins?
[QUOTE 1167548"]
The Bible talks about God creating night and day. It also talks about a God who is timeless -was, is, is to come etc.
So, if time is part of creation which God is outside of, then by asking what created or came before God is a question within the creation which he is outside of.
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Yeah, but it's not, is it. This is one that always stymies the god botherers who INSIST god created earth. They go to ridiculous lengths to 'prove' their point and raise the 'missing link' hypothesis as 'evidence' they are correct. But you will have to answer the question as to who created god and why? It's exactly as valid as your 'find me the missing link' argument.
The Bible talks about God creating night and day. It also talks about a God who is timeless -was, is, is to come etc.
So, if time is part of creation which God is outside of, then by asking what created or came before God is a question within the creation which he is outside of.
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Yeah, but it's not, is it. This is one that always stymies the god botherers who INSIST god created earth. They go to ridiculous lengths to 'prove' their point and raise the 'missing link' hypothesis as 'evidence' they are correct. But you will have to answer the question as to who created god and why? It's exactly as valid as your 'find me the missing link' argument.
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I've not said anything about the missing link.
What I'm saying is that your questions are bound by what you see yourself.
Show me a new colour. You can't, because you're living within a world that has a defined colour spectrum. But if we're living in a world which was created with its limits, and the creator is outside of the limits, then there's more possible than we can understand. There's plenty that we don't understand because we can only see it from our view.
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Its a daft argument really. Its suggesting a multi-universe dynamic, and as it currently stands people confuse "multiverse" with "more than one universe". If you're (and I mean people in general, not you specifically MrP) essentially suggesting that a being in another universe somehow triggered the creation of this universe then thats a whole different scenario to biblical or deity based creation. I dont think it would be daft to assume that science in this universe could very well work out such a dynamic and how it works, the physics might be slightly different but it would still have to work within a mathematical structure.
Science will always find a way of figuring things out. We once thought sub atomic particles, and the energy pulses that made them were as you phylosophically suggested a different spectrum of colour, who is to say we wont discover many other amazing things? Who is to say we cant figure out the singularity..? We have time.
I've not said anything about the missing link.
What I'm saying is that your questions are bound by what you see yourself.
Show me a new colour. You can't, because you're living within a world that has a defined colour spectrum. But if we're living in a world which was created with its limits, and the creator is outside of the limits, then there's more possible than we can understand. There's plenty that we don't understand because we can only see it from our view.
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Its a daft argument really. Its suggesting a multi-universe dynamic, and as it currently stands people confuse "multiverse" with "more than one universe". If you're (and I mean people in general, not you specifically MrP) essentially suggesting that a being in another universe somehow triggered the creation of this universe then thats a whole different scenario to biblical or deity based creation. I dont think it would be daft to assume that science in this universe could very well work out such a dynamic and how it works, the physics might be slightly different but it would still have to work within a mathematical structure.
Science will always find a way of figuring things out. We once thought sub atomic particles, and the energy pulses that made them were as you phylosophically suggested a different spectrum of colour, who is to say we wont discover many other amazing things? Who is to say we cant figure out the singularity..? We have time.
vikingcyclist
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Get eye surgery. See ultraviolet. Job done.
The human retina can detect ultraviolet, but it is screened out in general by the lens covering. Where the lens is cut for eye surgery (usually while under the effect of local anaesthetic) patients can supposedly see ultraviolet light.
I believe it's been done, but don't quote me. Everything works out exactly the same way but the start point is essentially a pre-universal singularity into which some small amount of matter is dropped. Things get weird from there.
A singularity is nothing special. In essence it's nothing more than a divide by zero error where the mathematics breaks down due to an indeterminate answer and a new model is required.
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IIRC, and dont quote me on this
What has been done is seeing sub atomics appear and disappear within vaccuums. Just quantum physics really. The mathematics physicists beleive that tiny, tiny black or worm holes exist within the gaps between subatomic particles and that they appear to switch on and off, lasting for mear nanoseconds.Steven Hawking said it would be cool to find out if you could lock onto one of these worm holes and enlarge it to see if large amounts of matter could be passed through it (much like in science fiction)
