Richard the third gained battles in vain..

[Arch]

I always thought it was Richard of York GAVE battle in vain. But I never understood the meaning of to "give battle". But "gain battle" seems even more meaningless to me. So I reckon it's "Richard of York got banjaxed in vain"

I assumed 'gave battle' meant 'went into battle', or perhaps 'started a battle'.

 

[Fnaar]

I assumed 'gave battle' meant 'went into battle', or perhaps 'started a battle'.

Well, yeah, I'd got that far but it's not a usual combination of words, is it? Unlike 'got banjaxed', which one hears every day. Probably.

 

[martint235]

I assumed 'gave battle' meant 'went into battle', or perhaps 'started a battle'.

Strange, I'd always assumed the opposite. I thought "gave battle" meant you fought back when someone attacked as opposed to running away.

 

[Yellow Fang]

I wonder what they'll do with him now. They can't stick him back under the car park. They put him on display in a museum, can they? He was a king. Yet they can't put him in Westminster Abbey because he was a bad man. Ah well, I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[Arch]

I wonder what they'll do with him now. They can't stick him back under the car park. They put him on display in a museum, can they? He was a king. Yet they can't put him in Westminster Abbey because he was a bad man. Ah well, I won't lose sleep over it.

Current thinking is that he'll be reburied in Leicester Cathedral. But York is agitating to bring him home.

I'm torn, as I have allegiances to both cities. He was indeed buried originally in Leicester, so he should stay. On the other hand, his home was Yorkshire, and with the best will in the world York Minster is stunningly more beautiful than Leicester cathedral.

His childhood home was Middleham Castle, perhaps the town has a better claim than York.

I suspect there will be a sizeable tourist income at stake.

 

[martinsmit]

Fascinating stuff.

 

[Arch]

I wonder what they'll do with him now. They can't stick him back under the car park. They put him on display in a museum, can they? He was a king. Yet they can't put him in Westminster Abbey because he was a bad man. Ah well, I won't lose sleep over it.

The 'bad man' bit is rather subjective. Most of the bad reputation came after death, when it was politic to diss him, and support the winners. Anyway, I suspect there are plenty of men (and women) who did dubious things buried in Westminster Abbey...

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Fascinating program, I'm sure that like most people in a position of power he did things both good and bad, but after his death the bad was emphasized.

 

[Yellow Fang]

The 'bad man' bit is rather subjective. Most of the bad reputation came after death, when it was politic to diss him, and support the winners. Anyway, I suspect there are plenty of men (and women) who did dubious things buried in Westminster Abbey...

Yes, no doubt if Richard III had won that battle, Shakespeare would have written what a splendid fellow he was and what a bounder that Henry Tudor was.

Still, call me a cynic, I can't help suspecting he had something to do with his nephews' untimely deaths.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

Yes, no doubt if Richard III had won that battle, Shakespeare would have written what a splendid fellow he was and what a bounder that Henry Tudor was.

Still, call me a cynic, I can't help suspecting he had something to do with his nephews' untimely deaths.

The nephews would have been a threat to his position if they had survived, so who ever did the deed would have been acting on his orders.

 

[Fnaar]

Richard Of York Got Buried In Vision (Express's basement)

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

York seem to be making no bones about their claim to his body.

 

[Arch]

The more I think about it, the more I think he should stay in Leicester. Fighting over him seems rather undignified.

Alternatively, divvy the bones up in pairs, and toss for who gets the skull and the pelvis.

 

[Arch]

Can I have the wishbone, Arch?

There isn't one in humans. You can have one clavicle, which is half a one...