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Right or wrong!

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by classic33, 4 Jan 2008.

  1. classic33

    classic33 Legendary Member

  2. Melvil

    Melvil Standard nerd

    Right of course - why not?
     
  3. beanzontoast

    beanzontoast Veteran

    Location:
    South of The Peaks
    Absolutely correct.
     
  4. Zoiders

    Zoiders New Member

    Location:
    Ice Station Zebra
    Wrong

    I fail to see what offence they were trying to imply he was commiting

    Being drunk in charge of a push bike or drunk and disorderly? being drunk in its self is not an offence, even at the age of 16

    I do not recall it being an offence to refuse to provide a sample in either case

    Abuse of power IMHO
     
  5. gavintc

    gavintc Guru

    Location:
    Southsea
    Whether it is legal or not, I will leave to the lawyers that inhabit this place. But, using the common sense test, I support the actions of the police. However, I note that his parents are content to allow him to ride a bike with dodgy handlebars.
     
  6. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

    Location:
    Logopolis
    Road Transport Act 1988

    30 Cycling when under influence of drink or drugs

    (1) A person who, when riding a cycle on a road or other public place, is unfit to ride through drink or drugs (that is to say, is under the influence of drink or a drug to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the cycle) is guilty of an offence.

    (2) In Scotland a constable may arrest without warrant a person committing an offence under this section.

    (3) In this section “road” includes a bridleway.

    I haven't ever viewed the amendments or rules governing breathaliser etc but always thought it seems pretty ambiguous and potentially unfair (esp when you compare to the highway code).

    Edited to say that reading the earlier part of the act, as I suspected the breathaliser refers clearly to motor vehicles. So it would appear to have absolutely no basis in law.
     
  7. Zoiders

    Zoiders New Member

    Location:
    Ice Station Zebra
    They should have said "we think that bike is unsafe" please dont ride it agian until it fixed

    Which is fair enough, using another more agressive angle of enquiry from the word go to try and intimidate him was just plain stupid

    Where do they find these dickheads?
     
  8. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

    Location:
    Logopolis
    It's hard to say what was going on or what the Police were intending but it certainly sounds suspicious. I agree very much with Zoiders comments. Also seems a bit dubious to claiming a wobble as the highway code refers to cyclists wobbling naturally so I doubt it'd hold much water.
     
  9. Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    You were clearly present and in a position to make an accurate judgement then? Or just spouting off the cuff rubbish.
     
  10. Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    "When I explained there was a problem with the handlebars they did apologise and left me to go on my way."

    The bullying, power-crazed bastards.
    :smile:
     
  11. marinyork

    marinyork Resting in suspended Animation

    Location:
    Logopolis
    Depends chuffy, it certainly sounds reasonably good humoured if they apologised but you can't read much into this. As a ped I used to get picked on regularly by the Police (another one of the many benefits of cycling) and they'd never apologise even when they were bored and it was quite unreasonable to have stopped me, until I showed them my NHS badge once and they were very apologetic and I did that from then onwards.
     
  12. monnet

    monnet Über Member

    I always thought it was an offence to be drunk in charge of a bicycle. If it isn't, it should be. On my commute, especially over the festive period, there are quite often police breathalyser units out checking motorists randomly and I've always been under the impression that I was equally likely to be stopped.

    If a car appears to be driven erratically, the first thing I want is for the police to stop it and find out why. I see no reason why the same shouldn't apply to us cyclists.
     
  13. rich p

    rich p ridiculous old lush

    Location:
    Brighton
    if you were the parents would you bother going to the papers about it though?
     
  14. longers

    longers Veteran

    No.
     
  15. Chuffy

    Chuffy Veteran

    Maybe it's the hoodie and glowing eyes? :smile:

    There is nothing in this article (and the description of the apology comes from the lad himself) to suggest that there was anything wrong, or even vaguely wrong, with what happened. The only bit that raises my eyebrows is that someone thought that it was worth going to the local rag with...