RIP Steve Jobs

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srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
On people like me? I've made no comment about Steve Jobs or his products.
I was having a dig at your behaviour; this thread was started by someone who wanted to share their thoughts on the untimely death of a well known public figure. Whether that's an appropriate thing to do, I neither know nor care. But it's generally accepted that such threads aren't highjacked to advance other agendas.

I disagree. This is an obituary thread of a public figure. Like all obituaries of public figures it should be balanced and fair, otherwise it becomes meaningless +1ery.

There is (rightly) a very different convention when it comes to obituary threads about private individuals.
 
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And he made life immeasurably better for innumerable people, all around the world. [/quote]


but not for anyone that actually needed a better life, unless you count 'desperate wanna/need to have a mac' saddos in that category.

some perspective is required. he wasn't the messiah and clearly didn't find the cure for cancer.

i lost my dad to cancer and he made my life immeasurably better for me than computers\phones\gadgets ever did.
 

mr Mag00

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i feel he changed consumerism for ever and created the Ineed/want generations. for me not in a good way :sad:. that aside it is a sad way to go I lost my mother in law a few years a go admitted to hospital 1st Dec died 6th Jan.
 
I just happen to be drinking my coffee today out of my 'apple computer' mug that I wa given free when I bought my Macintosh Classic II in 1993 (I wrote my PhD on it). The computer bought it years ago but the free mug is still intact!
 

Flying_Monkey

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Odawa
I disagree. This is an obituary thread of a public figure. Like all obituaries of public figures it should be balanced and fair, otherwise it becomes meaningless +1ery.

There is (rightly) a very different convention when it comes to obituary threads about private individuals.

Assessing an individual's social impact, good or bad, is a rather different thing than moaning about a particular product and your experience with customer service.

My thoughts on the man...

Steve Jobs was a entrepreneur. He is bound to have annoyed a lot of people. You almost have to by definition if that's what you do. He was incredibly driven and convinced by the rightness of his vision of technology. He's been an enormous influence in broadening the appeal of computers, in bringing values of design and usability into what was an industry dominated by intimidating beige boxes with which you could only communicate in using arcane languages. I have however become increasingly concerned by the 'walled garden' approach Apple has been taking, of locking software into hardware and making it almost impossible to alter or adapt. However, that doesn't mean I am any less sad to hear of Steve Jobs' death. RIP.
 

swee'pea99

Squire
but not for anyone that actually needed a better life, unless you count 'desperate wanna/need to have a mac' saddos in that category.

some perspective is required. he wasn't the messiah and clearly didn't find the cure for cancer.

i lost my dad to cancer and he made my life immeasurably better for me than computers\phones\gadgets ever did.

I'm not quite sure I understand the point you're trying to make here. I'm sorry you lost your dad to cancer, and of course anyone's dad is far more important to them than their computer. But as for improving people's lives...I'm old enough to remember when if you wanted to italicise a word you had to type, character by character,

<i>italic</i>

Even if you've never owned anything from Apple (and I, for one, haven't), you're still the beneficiary of Jobs's vision every time you use a computer or anything like it. Who made the mouse mainstream? Jobs. Who gave us windows? Jobs. Who was probably the single most important driver behind the move that put the person at the centre of the person/IT relationship, rather than the machine? Jobs.

I agree with earlier posters that he was a capitalist, not a holy man, and it seems to be the case that Apple's after sales service is pretty shameful. But none of that alters the fact that he was absolutely central to turning a techy's tool into everyman's empowerment. It's not a cure for cancer, but it is a life-transforming achievement on a genuinely global scale.
 

brokenflipflop

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Can't see why anyone's moaning about apple stuff, no-one's forcing anyone to buy it. Parents allowing their kids to play with computers too much and get fat wasn't Steve Job's fault either.
As for the guy with the macbook with a broken hinge, if it's past warranty and you didn't take out applecare - tough titty old chum!

It is a proven design/manufacturing flaw that has been sorted out in the USA but not here. Did I not make that clear ?

If something is not of merchantable quality and does not last a reasonable amount of time then the sale of goods act comes into effect. That is to a UK registered company. Let's see, where is Apples UK Head Office...The Republic of Ireland. All bases covered then.
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So you're suggesting that I should pay 4 x the price for a laptop that just sits on my desk and then pay even more for Applecare OR replace the laptop after 15 months when it breaks due to a manufacturing defect?

Question: Has Steve Jobs somehow surgically implanted some kind of loyalty microchip in your heads ?

Is there anyone on here who thinks it's not unreasonable to expect a £1k laptop to last more than 15 months ?

Jesus, I give up. You're all mental !
 

brokenflipflop

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Worsley
I'm surprised you didn't call yourself brokenlaptop! :smile:

I"ve no beef with my broken flip flop - it lasted 2 years longer than my Apple Macbook, it had a hell of a lot more punishment and it cost me precisely £880.1 less than the Macbook.

Just as a matter of interest I've not complained to Nike about the broken flip flop because I believe 3 and a half years constant use for £9.99 is acceptable.

I am a reasonable man
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(It's a shame Apple and all these Apple fanboys aren't so reasonable)
 

swee'pea99

Squire
It is a proven design/manufacturing flaw that has been sorted out in the USA but not here. Did I not make that clear ?

Is there anyone on here who thinks it's not unreasonable to expect a £1k laptop to last more than 15 months ?

Jesus, I give up. You're all mental !
I think it's not unreasonable to expect a £1000 laptop to last more than 15 months. I even think it's out of order for a company to sell something that it's acknowledged is inherently faulty and then use legalities to wriggle out of its moral if not strictly legal obligations. Incidentally, I have a feeling the SOG act applies (under EU law) even to a non-UK registered company...anything sold here has to be 'of merchantable quality', subject to a time limit of, I believe, 7 years. Might be worth doing a bit of digging around if you can be arsed.
 

brokenflipflop

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Worsley
Thanks for your support.

The bloody thing still works but I don't usually spend so much on gadgets and I really threw the boat out to get it. I've really taken good care of it and for all I know the cracks may have appeared during the 12 month warranty and my wife only noticed it quite recently.

Obviously I've gone down the route (or tried at least) of getting satisfaction through Apple and clearly I've got nowhere. I may try your suggestion though.

All this fluffy nonsense about Jobs and Apple I find ridiculous and my experience of Apple is really poor.

My brother is applying for a job at Apple (some Business Manager role) and the selection process has loads of stages. He's been interviewed about 6 times so far and gets virtually no feedback other than contacting him to arrange the next "step". He said everyone who he speaks to at Apple is very secretive and guarded and the only thing they spout on about is how fantastic their customer service is. I asked him if he'd told them about my problem and he replied "No, I want the job"

It just goes to show that if you tell people the same thing, enough times, they'll believe it. I think Steve Jobs was very good at that.

I'll ring some muppet at Salford trading standards then and see if they can defeat the corporate might of Apple inc.
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