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You don't think there's a possibility left turns on red may become legal in the future? Would you say you're a pessimist in general?Neither of these outcomes sound exactly plausible to me.
You don't think there's a possibility left turns on red may become legal in the future? Would you say you're a pessimist in general?Neither of these outcomes sound exactly plausible to me.
No I think there is an increasing level of low importance crime by people you wouldn't normally expect to be criminally minded. That suggests that respect has gone. It's not "Oh well if I get caught nothing will happen to me" (fear of consequence) but "Everyone else is doing it/no one gets hurt/who gives a stuff/they can afford to lose it" lack of respect for law.I think you may be confusing "respect" with "fear".
I expect there's a possibility, and I'd like to see it happen. If it does, though, I think it'll have more to do with special interest groups lobbying Parliament than with the prevalence or otherwise of cyclists doing it illegally, except maybe that the former group will be able to point to the comparative lack of accidents among the latter as evidence that it's pretty safe. But they would just as effectively be able to point to the evidence of other countries where it's legal alreadyYou don't think there's a possibility left turns on red may become legal in the future? Would you say you're a pessimist in general?
Oh well, by that definition I have no respect for the law (qua law) either, then. I have respect for many of the laws, because I recognise the ethical or moral or organisational reasons for their existence - and I obey many other laws that I don't respect on that basis, because that kind of thing makes society tick along a little better - but if you said "you must respect some arbitrary law 'thou shalt do F' because It Is The Law", I have to wonder what that actually means when that law is changed or revoked or superseded and I need no longer do F, or I need to not do it.No I think there is an increasing level of low importance crime by people you wouldn't normally expect to be criminally minded. That suggests that respect has gone. It's not "Oh well if I get caught nothing will happen to me" (fear of consequence) but "Everyone else is doing it/no one gets hurt/who gives a stuff/they can afford to lose it" lack of respect for law.
Oh dear. Are we going to keep agreeing?I expect there's a possibility, and I'd like to see it happen. If it does, though, I think it'll have more to do with special interest groups lobbying Parliament than with the prevalence or otherwise of cyclists doing it illegally, except maybe that the former group will be able to point to the comparative lack of accidents among the latter as evidence that it's pretty safe. But they would just as effectively be able to point to the evidence of other countries where it's legal already
'Smoothing the traffic flow' is accepted as good practice among highway engineers. By reducing the amount of stop/start riding we reduce congestion, reduce energy use, and make cycling a more accessible pursuit for the average person who does not want every commuting journey to resemble interval training.On a separate note, can anyone give me a good positive reason to RLJ?
No I think there is an increasing level of low importance crime by people you wouldn't normally expect to be criminally minded. That suggests that respect has gone. It's not "Oh well if I get caught nothing will happen to me" (fear of consequence) but "Everyone else is doing it/no one gets hurt/who gives a stuff/they can afford to lose it" lack of respect for law.
'Smoothing the traffic flow' is accepted as good practice among highway engineers. By reducing the amount of stop/start riding we reduce congestion, reduce energy use, and make cycling a more accessible pursuit for the average person who does not want every commuting journey to resemble interval training.
Personally I quite like interval training, so I don't say that out of selfishness. I'm only thinking of the rest of the road-using public who would benefit from having more bikes on the roads
Ok I've had a proper think now:
1. All traffic allowed to turn left at a red if safe to do so
2. All traffic lights revert to flashing amber between 10pm and 6am signalling give way to the right.
3. All ASZ and in carriageway cyclelanes abolished.
4. A law to state that if you are breaking a law you are therefore outside of the law and should not expect or receive any protection from the law.
Ok, 4 is a bit iffy but I'm not a tolerant person and I think one of the problems in the UK is that respect for the law has gone. It's time to bring it back by making the consequences of breaking the law meaningful again. Once we've restored respect in the law we can start looking at which laws are stupid and repeal them.