RLJer crashes into taxi

[Boris Bajic]

I still don't get how he got the sequence wrong, didn't he think it odd nobody else was setting off?

It is a complex junction and wherever you are it can be hard to see all the other entrances. Holborn, New Fetter Lane, Hatton Garden and various other streets all meet there.

The sequencing of the lights may confuse a road user not used to the location.

He was a chancer and he took a chance in the wrong place.

And... People who hop red lights do not usually take their cue from what other road users are doing... I think that's a fairly fundamental distinguishing marker.

I take your point nonetheless... but it is a very complex junction with unusual sequencing of the traffic signals.

 

[Christopher]

There are some seriously nasty people on this thread, laughing at someone that has been injured. . I really expected better than this, it is the same attitude of car passengers who try and push cyclists off.

 

[glenn forger]

I'm mildly amused, not by his injuries, which look nasty, but by his admission of behaving like a plonker then having the gall to embark on a self-promotion PIF to lecture others.

 

[Crankarm]

[QUOTE 2521702, member: 1314"]I've been doing that rdb for the last few weeks, going South from Hatton Gardens, either onto Fetter or onto Holborn.

Lessons from the actual incident aside, I take no notice of a poster on commuting who, erm, does no cycling commuting on the roads.[/quote]

Yeah, similar guy to the nutter who advocates the mass killing of kittens .................

 

[glenn forger]

It's not a difficult junction, go on green, stop on red, snot rocket science.

 

[glenn forger]

Yes, if there is a vehicle on the rdb already I find it helps not to cycle head first into it.

Sorry crock, sarcky, I can't imagine ever making such a mistake.

 

[glenn forger]

I used to use it East/West and don't remember any problems apart from left-hooking cabs.

 

[Frood42]

Until we moved offices, I cycled that roundabout daily Mon-Fri for 6 months, I waited at red, went on green, and never had any problems at all.

There was a Boris bike point in Stonecutter street, so I used to use Shoe Lane and I cannot say I had issues.
I also used Hatton Garden road when I had my own bike with me, as the company bike parking was underground round the back of the building, and all was fine.

Shoe Lane had lights, although for a little while it had temporary ones, did these stop working, or have they changed the road layout?
Would be useful to know when I next go through for a leisure ride, as GMaps still show the lights there.

 

[PK99]

There are some seriously nasty people on this thread, laughing at someone that has been injured. . I really expected better than this, it is the same attitude of car passengers who try and push cyclists off.

no, its more like visiting the Darwin Awards site - the depths of human stupidity can be amusing.

 

[Crankarm]

[QUOTE 2521756, member: 1314"]Lessons from the actual incident aside, I take no notice of a poster on commuting who, erm, does no cycling commuting on the roads.[/quote]

As I say like ignoring some one who puts forward a callous image of lots of kittens being killed because a lot of cyclists RLJ.

 

[J.Primus]

With regards to sequencing I have to admit I've once accidentally jumped a light at a junction when the sequence changed from 2-way to 4-way due to roadworks. Absolutely terrifying. I didn't clock the light was still red until I was half way across. Learnt my lesson and don't go until I actually see the light go green now. That said for this chap it does seem like a bit of a convenient excuse to absolve him of some of the blame.

 

[Dan B]

[QUOTE 2521868, member: 1314"]No, I mean, even if they're not on the RDB, but if there's a queue on Shoe Lane, they all come through, without waiting. I've never seen one vehicle on Shoe Lane wait for the traffic on their right to come through before they enter the RDB.[/quote]
This has broadly been my experience too. Taxis and Addison Lee drivers are the worst for this, but in general one would be most unwise to assume that having 'green' on your side at Hatton Guardians means you can go west on Holborn, without having to take avoiding action

 

[Frood42]

[QUOTE 2522776, member: 1314"]No lights from Shoe Lane. No stop/give way markings either. Long arrow which merges from Shoe Lane onto the RDB. Not saying it's a major thing once you know that entry is there but if you're a newbie and...well, just a strange 'un.[/quote]

Hmmm, perhaps I am thinking of a different place to you (Holborn Circus roundabout http://goo.gl/maps/WMQfV).

I'm thinking of here, but that's probably St Andrews Street http://goo.gl/maps/IlXsb
If they had changed this road layout I would be seriously concerned as to the sanity of the road planner...

Or perhaps I had forgotten about the mini RDB here http://goo.gl/maps/oGd54

 

[Crankarm]

[QUOTE 2522787, member: 1314"]Why do you post in the commuting section of a cycling forum when you don't commute on a bicycle?[/quote]

I do you eejit. I ride about 220 miles a week. How many do you ride?

I wasn't aware that you had to be a commuter to comment on this forum? If this is so then half the contributors would disappear. You don't have to be particuarly clever to realise that stopping at red traffic lights is the safe option and required by law. Neither do you need to commute to realise this. FYI I have clocked many many years of road riding and driving.

 

[Crankarm]

[QUOTE 2523470, member: 30090"]Dunno if Crankarm is in the process of being banned or not. But here's a clip of wise old Splinter talking to Raphael about anger issues...Crankarm take note.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkiDVRIdZI[/quote]

Still going to LBSs, trying all the gear you are interested in, then complaining and rubbishing the poor service and high prices you believe LBSs offer, then buying what you've sampled at the said same LBSs from the internet Beano?

If anyone should be banned it's you.