vernon
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Because you didn't understand first time round.
It's a bit like we do when teaching. It's helping the slow to understand a topic or those have missed it through absence.
Rostered holidays, anyone have a job with 'em?
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Because you didn't understand first time round.
It's a bit like we do when teaching. It's helping the slow to understand a topic or those have missed it through absence.
I'd be surprised if it was unlawful, more likely it's against the terms and conditions in your contract.
I've worked in several places where you don't get to choose the dates you take your holidays. For a few years in a factory where all but four days a year were when the place was closed. I now work in a team of four where it would be hard to function with more than one person off. We take it in turns to choose which weeks we want, I get first choice this year, yet they're not going to be that different to what I got last year when I had fourth choice.
Because you didn't understand first time round.
It's a bit like we do when teaching. It's helping the slow to understand a topic or those have missed it through absence.
Like I said playing catch up, so that child that did not quite get it first time and was on holiday the second, what happens to them. You have just stated that being absent makes a difference.
If they hadn't been absent, wouldn't this time be better spent to the advantage of the rest?
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
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No I didn't. So I'll explain a third time. Topics are taught on three occasions. A child who misses one of those occasions is not disadvantaged because (s)he will be able to encounter it again and again. For that child you could argue it is catch up. the rest of the class and their teacher sees it as catch up. So being absent does not make a difference.
the primary need for a repeat was to enlighten you. A previously absent pupils will inadvertantly benefitted.
Keep up at the back there.
Screen man was one of the slow learners who needed to have the topic revisited there and then because he didn't get it first time round. it's called good practice.
I don't don't know how much folk think gets taught in a lesson or the delivery methods used. Learning is incremental and no child misses a huge chunk of knowledge through a fortnight's absence. The nuggets of knowledge delivered in a fortnight and potentially tested in examination makes diddly squat difference to a pupils grade unless (s)he was on holiday during the exam itself - it does happen!
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on my brief spell on the post, leave was allocated via seniority (i.e. length of service), so although they asked you what you wanted, you always ended up with something else, unless you'd been there for eons. i have kids, so you can imagine my wife's joy that i ended up with a week's leave that fell the week after the autumn half-term break…
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We have no contract. There are national police regulations, and they can't impose rules or procedures that aren't written down in those regs. Unfortunately, some of the scrambled egg think they can make up arbitrary rules on top of that. Unfortunately for them I've enough rank that they don't scare me, and enough experience to know when they're pulling a flanker.
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
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vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
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- Meanwood, Leeds
I'll restate this again for those who are slow on the uptake referring to the potential holiday problem in original post.
Although the official line delivered by government and headteachers, both of them flawless in every aspect of their beliefs
, is that taking holidays in school time damages pupils learning. There is not a shred of evidence to support that notion.
The only time a holiday absence makes an impact is if it coincides with an examination.
'Catching up' in any case is catered for by a concept known as a spiral curriculum where topics are taught cyclically and revisited.
New content in a single lesson in an incremental advance and not a huge body of new knowledge.
So, concerned parents having been told that a holiday during school time is inadvisable should enquire when the examination dates are if in the unlikely event that they have not already received an examination timetable and book holidays accordingly. Do it with a clear conscience you are not damaging your child's education.
New knowledge for those who are slow on the uptake - I will not repeat this for those who go on holiday and miss this posting
The main reason why head teachers spin the line about holidays not being wise is that the government has set attendance targets for schools and are used when judging whether a school should be placed in 'special measures'. It does lead to the manipulation of data on absences to raise attendance figures and recent changes to the rule removes holidays from the manipulatable data. I do not want or feel the need to go into this legalised cheating in depth and will leave for those who really want to get to the bottom of the issue to do their own investigations or become a teacher and discover for themselves the chicanery that goes on to 'cook the books'. Government, OFSTED and head teachers do not care about individuals, they are in the business of setting targets and meeting them by fair means or foul, usually foul. The child, the term learner can be used loosely here as a substute, is reduced to the mechanism of delivery of raw data to be fed into the statistics machine.
Those who doubt this should retrain to be a teacher and have their eyes opened to the reality of life in schools in the 21st century. It's very different from the critics own experiences as consumers of education in the dim and distant past when the currency of education was knowledge and understanding.
Although the official line delivered by government and headteachers, both of them flawless in every aspect of their beliefs
, is that taking holidays in school time damages pupils learning. There is not a shred of evidence to support that notion.The only time a holiday absence makes an impact is if it coincides with an examination.
'Catching up' in any case is catered for by a concept known as a spiral curriculum where topics are taught cyclically and revisited.
New content in a single lesson in an incremental advance and not a huge body of new knowledge.
So, concerned parents having been told that a holiday during school time is inadvisable should enquire when the examination dates are if in the unlikely event that they have not already received an examination timetable and book holidays accordingly. Do it with a clear conscience you are not damaging your child's education.
New knowledge for those who are slow on the uptake - I will not repeat this for those who go on holiday and miss this posting
The main reason why head teachers spin the line about holidays not being wise is that the government has set attendance targets for schools and are used when judging whether a school should be placed in 'special measures'. It does lead to the manipulation of data on absences to raise attendance figures and recent changes to the rule removes holidays from the manipulatable data. I do not want or feel the need to go into this legalised cheating in depth and will leave for those who really want to get to the bottom of the issue to do their own investigations or become a teacher and discover for themselves the chicanery that goes on to 'cook the books'. Government, OFSTED and head teachers do not care about individuals, they are in the business of setting targets and meeting them by fair means or foul, usually foul. The child, the term learner can be used loosely here as a substute, is reduced to the mechanism of delivery of raw data to be fed into the statistics machine.
Those who doubt this should retrain to be a teacher and have their eyes opened to the reality of life in schools in the 21st century. It's very different from the critics own experiences as consumers of education in the dim and distant past when the currency of education was knowledge and understanding.
What always amazes me is that the people in positions and on a lot higher wage than the likes of Vernon are always plonker types. I wonder what they think of the lower ranks who cannot propel themselves upwards, I know the old line that going up is not in line with what they want to do.
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Well my children's school also seem to be doing revision sessions at lunch time too, or one is after school though it clashes with an after school activity. And there are revision books that I've been asked to buy, some of it is up to the child to work out what they don't understand and then ask the teacher.
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Looks like I've got my answer, namely STFU, MTFU, have a coffee and be grateful! 
S'fair enough, just pathetic self-pity and lack of ability to adjust to a new job/set of personal circumstances manifesting itself. It is, for a non-university educated erk like myself, a very well-paid and non-too demanding job, and I need to keep telling myself my mortgage (the fates willing) will be paid in less than four years.
Also as has been said more than once further up this thread, if I'm that bothered I need to find somewhere else to work, and within the next four years I expect opportunities to present themselves that I can take a look at, and in the meantime get my academic qualifications improved so I have more of a choice.
It was probably just because I was looking at not being able to take my accustomed/normal (call it what you will) summer holiday with Mrs B and the offspring that started this off, and it's the first time I've worked a job with the bulk of the holiday rostered rather than floating.
I shall now go away, gaffer tape my gob shut and get on with some work
S'fair enough, just pathetic self-pity and lack of ability to adjust to a new job/set of personal circumstances manifesting itself. It is, for a non-university educated erk like myself, a very well-paid and non-too demanding job, and I need to keep telling myself my mortgage (the fates willing) will be paid in less than four years.
Also as has been said more than once further up this thread, if I'm that bothered I need to find somewhere else to work, and within the next four years I expect opportunities to present themselves that I can take a look at, and in the meantime get my academic qualifications improved so I have more of a choice.
It was probably just because I was looking at not being able to take my accustomed/normal (call it what you will) summer holiday with Mrs B and the offspring that started this off, and it's the first time I've worked a job with the bulk of the holiday rostered rather than floating.
I shall now go away, gaffer tape my gob shut and get on with some work
