Should have known better..

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hotmetal

Senior Member
Location
Near Windsor
If it was an orange or a banana, that might be different but an apple can do absolutely no harm and might do benefit.

Unless the car happens to be overtaking a group of slow-moving CCers. I'd flipping well take umbrage if Cyril Falls and indeed any of his ilk were to bombard me with fruit as I cycled. An apple a day when used as a missile doesn't keep the doctor away at all. Doubt it would do anyone any good under those circumstances.

I've already had to point out to a Harley Davidson owner the evils of spitting out fag butts when overtaking cyclists.
Lucky it was only a Harley (no match for a carbon bicycle!)
 

Archie_tect

De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
Location
Northumberland
Ah, enforcement officers have a job to do enforcing things, when enforcement is your job, enforcement is what you do... otherwise what good is an enforcement officer who fails to enforce... you may as well sack him for being a waste of space... because then you'd save his salary and wouldn't need the money he raises enforcing things, and that.. would... be.... silly.
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Fab Foodie

hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
Location
Kirton, Devon.
Apple core litter fine angers County Down driver

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Mr Falls said he should not have been fined as the apple core was biodegradable
A teacher has said he is angry about being fined £150 for throwing an apple core out of his car into a hedge.
Cyril Falls, 53, who is a teacher at Bangor Academy, County Down, said he thought it was OK to throw the apple core because it is biodegradable.
The incident happened in Saintfield, County Down, earlier this year.
A Down District Council enforcement officer who was in the car behind him as they were stopped at a junction took down his registration number.
Mr Falls was initially given a £50 fine which he said he forgot to pay.
When he got a reminder about it, his solicitor thought they should contest it.
On Monday, a judge upheld the council's case and Mr Falls was fined £150 and made to pay the court's costs.
"I'm angry - I have two children at university who could have benefited more from the £250," Mr Falls said.
"To me an apple is biodegradable. There are insects and various things in the hedgerows that can benefit from it.
"In the countryside, where there are hedges and probably more apples in the hedge than my apple core, I didn't feel that it was anywhere close to litter."
Apology used as evidence
He said when he was first contacted about the incident he apologised to the council.
"I apologised to them thinking that would be the last I would hear about it," he said.
"That was actually used as part of the evidence, the fact that I had apologised, it was part of the evidence that convinced the judge that I was wasting his time."
In a statement, Down District Council said: "A fixed penalty notice was issued for an offence under The Litter Order.
"The fixed penalty was not paid and council had no option but to prosecute for the original offence of depositing litter.
"At the hearing on Monday 1st October the Magistrate upheld the Council's case and imposed a fine of £150.00 and costs of £94.00 to Council against the defendant."
 

hotmetal

Senior Member
Location
Near Windsor
Yes, a curious one. Like the fact that speed cameras allegedly cost more to run than they generate, so if you get nicked by one, you're getting it at less than cost price – the old bill/council are actuallysubsidising your punishment. Or something. Plus the fact observation that speed cameras proliferated wildly only after the revenue generated from them was redirected to local authorities rather than central government. I think.

To steal from Norm's collection of signatures: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Astonishing, isn't it? I grew up being taught the Swiss way which, back in the late 50s and long before anybody had heard of bio-degradable, used the same logic as the driver's defence.

And because there is logic to it I shall continue to throw apple cores into hedges. Police around here have more important things to do.
 

hotmetal

Senior Member
Location
Near Windsor
The ideal speed camera is one that generates no revenue
Too right! If we were allowed to stick tape over the lenses they would then be ideal for everyone! No revenue, no FPs, no-one braking hard for the camera and then accelerating away again. :tongue:

I have no idea what the stats are on KSI figures with and without cameras, but I do think that concentrating enforcement on someone doing +5, while there are so many eejits out there using mobiles whilst driving, I can't help but feel slightly as if speed cameras are the 'easy' or 'cheap' option compared to having proper Plod out there educating people on how not to drive like nobbers. More police, fewer cameras would be my preference.
 
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asterix

Comrade Member
Location
Limoges or York
The Council Enforcement Officer should follow a sportive or two - the rake from the fines for littering with gel containers would cut everyone's council tax!

Is your trenchant view by any chance conditioned by the fact that it was a motorist who was caught?

No. Cyclists who drop litter are equally bad. I am a motorist, I own, tax and insure 2 vehicles and in the next week I expect to drive over 1,216 miles dropping no litter en route.

(..and this thread is not about speed cameras. I have nil points on my licence anyway:angel: )
 

hotmetal

Senior Member
Location
Near Windsor
Sorry for going off topic. My mind does tend to pick up on something and go off at a tangent. FWIW I also have a clean licence. That is, until someone threw an apple at it. Now it's just a mildly stained licence.
 

screenman

Squire
Maybe it was not an apple but a piece of rubbish, it would have been hard for the following driver to identify it as such, possible the guilty party thought he would get off by saying it was an apple. They should have got to the core of the matter.
 
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