What's too complex a concept is historical context. Perhaps if you'd phrased your question differently it might have some value but really, trying to conflate cycling 50 years ago with cycling today is ludicrous, it's just not worth making the effort to address, bravo to Rich for even trying.
Should Tom Simpson be striped of his titles?
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What's too complex a concept is historical context. Perhaps if you'd phrased your question differently it might have some value but really, trying to conflate cycling 50 years ago with cycling today is ludicrous, it's just not worth making the effort to address, bravo to Rich for even trying.
Chuffy
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Whatever. FM has said anything that needs saying.
EDIT: and Rich P.
EDIT: and Rich P.
mr_hippo
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Tommy Simpson did not wear a helmet, should he be fined?
It would have to have been a different norm, as WWII was over 18 years before I was born.
Yet amphetamines were illegal at this time, despite the ill-informed claims otherwise
Simpson was doping illegally and committing offenses, and his drug use is proven unequivocally!
They became illegal on 1st June 1965 and the first three offenders removed from the Milk Race (and other races) later the same year.
So the case is not as clear as some would have it.
Anecdotal as in the Post Mortem results, the finding by official investigators of the empty vials in his jersey pocket and the supplies found by the same investigation in his luggage?
I would suggest that is about as good as it gets!
Helmets were not compulsory at that poin, so no offence was committed, so no sanction required.
Amphetamines however were illegal at this point so an offence was committed - therefore sanctions ae appropriate..
Rather a poor analogy?
Give it a rest :troll:
You're just making yourself look ridiculous.
Not as ridiculous at those denying he was cheating and illegally using drugs though?
The question is still open and being avoided......
He was using drugs illegally yet we have a tribute on Mt Ventoux, we also allegedly still have tributes from present day ridrs and celebrate his achievements as the "first great British professional cyclist"
Surely as a proven drugs cheat we should not be celebrating any of this?
Please read the post again - the answer is already there, maybe not what you wanted, but, as you did not understand it, I will simplify it.
If the act is illegal then there should be sanctions, if the act is not illegal then no offence is comitted and therefore you cannot sanction.
I can't answer the question any more clearly
Who'd have thought it!!!!! You're wrong again!!!!
ComedyPilot
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Tom Simpson died in a horrible, public way, and paid for his mistakes with the ultimate price - his life.
People who have cheated and still live should be sanctioned against, as they have not been made to accept responsibility for their actions.
Denigrating an iconic human symbol of the tour, and a cherished sporting hero will not make anything better. His lasting legacy is a poignient reminder to all of the sacrifices made by racing cyclists, and the price they pay for their mistakes.
People who have cheated and still live should be sanctioned against, as they have not been made to accept responsibility for their actions.
Denigrating an iconic human symbol of the tour, and a cherished sporting hero will not make anything better. His lasting legacy is a poignient reminder to all of the sacrifices made by racing cyclists, and the price they pay for their mistakes.
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