Six Nations 2012

[lukesdad]

For the first time in many years the squad has strength and depth to it and age is on their side,unlike the Irish.

 

[swee'pea99]

Love to see a good match that goes one way then t'other, with the result still totally in the balance a minute from time. Marred only, as others have said, by that horrible (not least because so utterly gratuitous) tackle.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

[QUOTE 1711948, member: 9609"]You have just summed up all the posh areas of Northumberland apart from Ashington, seriously has rugby really being played in Ashington [/quote]
Since well before Ashington JW RFC was founded in 1922. The JW, standing for Joint Welfare, gives the game away. The current club is an amalgamation of two miners' welfare sides. The north-east saw a lot of Oxford Movement Anglicanism in the late 20thC EDIT: 19thC, and such muscular Christianity often brought Rugby Union with it to the most unlikely communities. The Northumberland RFU dates from the 1880's if memory serves.

The Union leagues in Durham and Northumberland are combined and a good many of the clubs playing in them are from decidedly non-posh towns as you can see for yourself here

 

[GordonB]

[QUOTE 1711948, member: 9609"]You have just summed up all the posh areas of Northumberland apart from Ashington, seriously has rugby really being played in Ashington Looking up Ashington RFC on Google maps it shows a rugby ground on the site of the old colliery, relatively recent then ? - Going off your mention of Grammar schools I am guessing you are sort of my age (early 50's) So where was the Rugby ground in Ashington?[/quote]

It was Ashington Grammer I was referring to, not Ashington RFU, but I've played there and yes, I'm around your age plus a bit (58). Point I was making was that rugby was not limited to the public schools in Northumberland as you claimed, and I'm in no doubt I've missed out a number of other non-public schools that played rugby. Seem to remember playing against a Cramlington school and quite a few in County Durham. As for the clubs, I played for Gosforth for a number of years and there were many clubs in areas that were anything but "posh". I remember well playing several matches where the pitch was adjacent to the pit and the clean up afterwards was in the pit head bath house. My nearest club was Gateshead Fell, although those that know Gateshead could see a good case for changing the F to an H.

 

[subaqua]

there was nothing posh about where I grew up and we played rugby in school there. and football and cricket. there were plenty of rugby clubs , and plenty of sunday morning/saturday afternoon wendyball clubs. if you were good you got a game if youe weren't you likely didn't . wealth and social class had nothing to do with it.

 

[Dayvo]

It all starts tomorrow, here's hoping for a good opening victory for Scotland against Englandshire

Ooh, just seen this from sunny India so just HAD to find out the score!

You'd get a better team from the fantasy leagues, Noodley!

Now I know why everyone eats porridge in Scotland: there's no shortage of wooden spoons!

 

[Beebo]

Bradley Davies has been banned for 7 weeks for that off the ball spear tackle.

It rules him out of the rest of the tournament, but Ireland must be thinking what could have been if he had been sent off.

 

[martint235]

Bradley Davies has been banned for 7 weeks for that off the ball spear tackle.

It rules him out of the rest of the tournament, but Ireland must be thinking what could have been if he had been sent off.

While I don't want to start an argument about whether or not it deserved red (I think it did), what happened to the rule that you could only cite someone if the ref had missed it? The ref obviously believed he had dealt with this and therefore it shouldn't really be referred to the citing committee or have I missed something (it wouldn't be the first time).

 

[Beebo]

While I don't want to start an argument about whether or not it deserved red (I think it did), what happened to the rule that you could only cite someone if the ref had missed it? The ref obviously believed he had dealt with this and therefore it shouldn't really be referred to the citing committee or have I missed something (it wouldn't be the first time).

Isnt that an issue that Football wrestles with, when a yellow card has been given. Not sure it applies to rugby?

 

[GrumpyGregry]

While I don't want to start an argument about whether or not it deserved red (I think it did), what happened to the rule that you could only cite someone if the ref had missed it? The ref obviously believed he had dealt with this and therefore it shouldn't really be referred to the citing committee or have I missed something (it wouldn't be the first time).

iirc when citing was first introduced this was the case. then the rules at elite level changed to enable stuff the ref saw but didn't handle to the right outcome in the opinion of the citing commissioner. This one is made superficially complex because the YC was on the AR's recommendation; the ref didn't see the incident. But if we read the regs....

From IRB Regulations.... (NB NOT Laws of the Game)
Section 17.6 Citing

17.6.2 When a Citing Commissioner is appointed, the following policy shall apply:
(a) Citing Commissioners shall be entitled to cite a player for any act or acts of Illegal and/or Foul Play which in the opinion of the Citing Commissioner warranted the Player concerned being Ordered Off;
(b) Citing Commissioners may cite Players for an act or acts of Illegal and/or Foul Play even where such act or acts may have been detected by the referee and/or touch judge and which may have been the subject of action taken by the referee and/or touch judge. A Citing Commissioner may not, however, cite a Player for an act or acts of Illegal and/or Foul Play in respect of which the Player has been Ordered Off;
(c) A Player may be cited by the Citing Commissioner if he has been Temporarily Suspended. Such citing may be made in respect of the incident or incidents for which the Player was Temporarily
Suspended or otherwise;


What else will happen? The assistant referee will get a massive bollocking from his referee's coach and assessor for this as it was a game outcome influencing error. St Wayne will also get a ticking off and may even issue one of his own, the golden rule of being an AR being "Don't make the ref look like a ****"

Personally I think the system of post-match justice, in both Rugby and Soccer is a bit lame. What consolation is it to team A (Ireland) that a player from Team F (Wales) won't play teams B thru E in the next few weeks?

 

[LarryDuff]

Blind Dave Person bottled giving a red card in the first place.

 

[subaqua]

Bradley Davies has been banned for 7 weeks for that off the ball spear tackle.

It rules him out of the rest of the tournament, but Ireland must be thinking what could have been if he had been sent off.

don't think Bradley had much influence in the few minutes he came back on for . 7 weeks is a bit lame for what he did . did the Irish bloke who did a similar tackle get cited also ??

 

[LarryDuff]

Ferris did get cited but the hearing found that the incident did not warrant further punishment.

 

[Aperitif]

The assistant referee was short-cited.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

don't think Bradley had much influence in the few minutes he came back on for . 7 weeks is a bit lame for what he did . did the Irish bloke who did a similar tackle get cited also ??

Partiality aside, in what way was Ferris' tackle on the ball carrier in open play in the same league as, let alone similar to, Davies act of retaliation against a non-ball carrier well off the ball?

Ferris' wasn't even worth a YC. Ferris was a straight Red and along ban. Point is it should have been 15 v 14. At elite level that creates space.