SMIDSY is an admission of guilt

[dawesome]

Sure, but if you want to reduce injuries and deaths then it's drivers' behaviour that needs to be addressed.

 

[Camrider]

You're tampering with the figures to get the result you want.

I'm not actually trying to get any particular results which is why I linked directly to original report so you can draw your own conclusions. I did however make a bit of a cock-up with the original link so you may have seen the wrong document. I have now corrected the link so apologies for that.

I agree that when we are talking about commuting young children should be taken out of the equation, but I don't think that for 5% of 16-24 year olds KSI where the cyclist failed to stop at red or give way signs is insignificant nor is the 8% of the same age group having failed to use lights in the dark.

 

[subaqua]

I have hit one cyclist in all the miles I have driven, if I had not been completely aware of him he could have been under my front wheels, he apologised and admitted it was all his fault and offered to pay the damage he had caused. The reason he wasn't paying attention was because he had headphones on and decided that he wanted to go to the shop on the other side of the road so just turned in front of me.

So yes, I firmly believe that it is ALL road users' behaviour that needs looking at.

Sure, but if you want to reduce injuries and deaths then it's drivers' behaviour that needs to be addressed.

so the cyclist was at liberty to just swerve without looking . How would changing the drivers attitude stop this ??

 

[benb]

so the cyclist was at liberty to just swerve without looking . How would changing the drivers attitude stop this ??

I think Dawesome's point is that to make the most impact in reducing KSI on the road, we should concentrate on the areas that cause the biggest problem first.

The cyclist in your example was a dick, no doubt, but that situation is much, much rarer than dangerous driving and, in the overwhelming majority of cases the cyclist is a danger only to themselves. Once we're well on the way to getting drivers to behave safely, patiently and responsibly we can start to look at the other dangers, including dangerous cycling.

 

[subaqua]

I think Dawesome's point is that to make the most impact in reducing KSI on the road, we should concentrate on the areas that cause the biggest problem first.

The cyclist in your example was a dick, no doubt, but that situation is much, much rarer than dangerous driving and, in the overwhelming majority of cases the cyclist is a danger only to themselves. Once we're well on the way to getting drivers to behave safely, patiently and responsibly we can start to look at the other dangers, including dangerous cycling.

I guessed that was what he meant but it didn't come across like that !

 

[dawesome]

so the cyclist was at liberty to just swerve without looking .

That's exactly what I said, yes.

Pointing out that drivers are almost invariably the source of danger is the same as saying lycra nazis can roam at will spreading desolation and misery.

 

[benb]

I guessed that was what he meant but it didn't come across like that !

That's how it came across to me.

 

[subaqua]

That's how it came across to me.

dawesomes post was the next post after the post i have quoted that doen't have a posterss name thats why it didn't come across very well from dawesome. it could be read he was responding without qoutuing to the post above. not everybody knows the geek etiquite of using ^ to refer to above.

 

[dawesome]

Sorry if I was unclear subaqua.

Other remarks about cyclists and this apparent collective liability we all share with every cyclist who ever did a bad thing in the world ever really hacks me off, and the unrestrained arse-wittery goes straight to the frigging top, right to the top of the chain. Unlit cyclists are annoying and I hate kids on bikes who scare tottery old ladies on the pavement, but both scenarios do not feature heavily in the actual causes of accidents. So we have the bod in charge of the roads coming out with this:

Mike Penning:

When asked what he would do to protect cyclists on trunk roads - a cyclist had been killed on the A19 the day before - Penning stressed that cyclists ought to be more visible and wandered off into an example of his well-lit daughter, cycling while at university in Cambridge, compared to her flat mates who did not dress up like Christmas trees.

http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/cycle-organisations-meet-with-minister-for-cars/012519

The investigation hasn't even begun. Christ almighty.

 

[ComedyPilot]

...blah, blah......

Mike Penning (A possible contender for 'Fat, gelatinous wnaker of the Year' award IMO):

When asked what he would do to protect cyclists on trunk roads - a cyclist had been killed on the A19 the day before - Penning stressed that cyclists ought to be more visible and wandered off into an example of his well-lit daughter, cycling while at university in Cambridge, compared to her flat mates who did not dress up like christmas trees a selfish monologue about his own family and how perfect they are. Snore.

The investigation hasn't even begun. Christ almighty.

And that is the issue. Chris Griffiths* had family FFS, and they will be at a horrible place right now. To have some cretinous twunt make such un-needed comments like that, with NO evidence of the Chris having done ANY wrong is deplorable.

*I put his name here because he is not a statistic, he is a human being whose life has been tragically cut short.

RIP Chris

 

[lukesdad]

Sorry if I was unclear subaqua.

Other remarks about cyclists and this apparent collective liability we all share with every cyclist who ever did a bad thing in the world ever really hacks me off, and the unrestrained arse-wittery goes straight to the frigging top, right to the top of the chain. Unlit cyclists are annoying and I hate kids on bikes who scare tottery old ladies on the pavement, but both scenarios do not feature heavily in the actual causes of accidents. So we have the bod in charge of the roads coming out with this:

Mike Penning:



http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/cycle-organisations-meet-with-minister-for-cars/012519

The investigation hasn't even begun. Christ almighty.

Yet you use this collective liability towards motorists. A dick is a dick no matter what form of transport they use.

 

[dawesome]

Yet you use this collective liability towards motorists. A dick is a dick no matter what form of transport they use.

What are you talking about?


When did I apply "collective responsibility to drivers?"