Some advice re: positioning, please...

[dodd82]

Sorry, a 3 series estate is aimed at the same gender/age/person as an M3 sport and that as the same as a 7 series saloon?

Quite obviously there will be some models within these makes that don't 'fit the profile'.

On a forum like this, you hope people have enough common sense not to need that explained.

 

[400bhp]

(2) Actually, I often find people in these types of cars the worst, not in aggression but in perception and positioning. That might be because they are not interested in driving and choose these cars.


Exactly.

So again, you've given a logical reason why we might expect a particular type of driving from a particular type of vehicle.

You're assuming I was disagreeing with you. I wasn't necessarily doing that.

 

[dodd82]

You're assuming I was disagreeing with you. I wasn't necessarily doing that.

Fair point.

So do you disagree?

 

[jonny jeez]

It doesn't take a genius to work out that an Audi or a BMW is more likely to be driven by someone who we recognise as thinking they own the road.

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complete Tosh.

 

[dodd82]

complete Tosh.

It's not actually. It's a logical conclusion.

Don't mistake your opinion for fact now, will you.

 

[subaqua]

BMW's are normally great drivers,I must say im surprised.

yeah really surprised gher loving the avatar

 

[jonny jeez]

It's not actually. It's a logical conclusion.

Don't mistake your opinion for fact now, will you.

Don't worry, I shan't and I shan't also mistake your unashamed prejudice for fact. Its in fact, simply opinion (to quote your own argument) and not a conclusion of any sort.
Do you also judge people by the colour of their skin or perhaps their religion, its as easy as judging them purley on the basis of the brand of vehicle they happen to be sat in.

Conversely in my travels in and out of London (between 120 to 200 miles a week, for many years) I have had not reached your "conclusion". Idiots are idiots, some drive cars , some drive a BMW car, others ride bikes and some occasionally spout nonsense on internet forums.

 

[dodd82]

Don't worry, I shan't and I shan't also mistake your unashamed prejudice for fact. Its in fact, simply opinion (to quote your own argument) and not a conclusion of any sort.
Do you also judge people by the colour of their skin or perhaps their religion, its as easy as judging them purley on the basis of the brand of vehicle they happen to be sat in.

Conversely in my travels in and out of London (between 120 to 200 miles a week, for many years) I have had not reached your "conclusion". Idiots are idiots, some drive cars , some drive a BMW car, others ride bikes and some occasionally spout nonsense on internet forums.

Oh dear - couldn't resist a dig at the end. Please, spare us the bravado.

You make several mistakes.

It is my own conclusion - based on facts that I know to be true and my own experience - that I am far more likely to have a BMW or Audi driving aggressively, dangerously and quickly, than I am certain other brands of car.

I am not judging the person. Don't make out it's a bigoted view, just because you've not understood it.

There is no preconceived judgement of people when I see what car they're in. That's the mistake you have made.

What I am saying is that I believe it's more likely that, when I am confronted by an idiot driving up my backside - for example, it'll be an Audi or a BMW than a Micra or a Corsa.

Similarly, I am not surprised when I see that type of driving and observe that it's a BMW or Audi.

You see the difference? I am not looking at a BMW driver and assuming he's a bad driver. I judge people on their actions.

I've done a bit of profiling for a few major car companies in the past, and I know that they each have a fairly well defined target audience.

It's logical to suggest that there's a certain profile of people that drive in the way I describe, and it's logical to suggest that there's a certain profile of people that are more likely to drive the type of car I describe.

If you don't agree then fine, but don't pretend it's nonsense, because it's not - and you'll only serve to turn this into an argument when it needn't be one.

 

[BentMikey]

This implies you're simply mistaken, Jonny.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Fp7flAWMA&feature=youtu.be


It's quite credible that a particular vehicle type will attract a particular subset of people.

 

[Markymark]

Well, if it's based on the number of recorded accidents, then this implies that he's not - unless of course BMW drivers are all excellent and can drive dangerously without casuing accidents!!

http://money.aol.co.uk/2012/05/02/prestige-cars-take-accident-rate-hit/

 

[dodd82]

Perhaps we're entering a political correctness debate.

Maybe we should confront BBC News for reporting that young drivers are more likely to be involved in an accident, on the basis of unashamed prejudice?

 

[jonny jeez]

This implies you're simply mistaken, Jonny.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Fp7flAWMA&feature=youtu.be


It's quite credible that a particular vehicle type will attract a particular subset of people.

Nope, it confirms that one chap in America's views differ from mine. Or perhaps that some Americans hate animals being in the road.

 

[Miquel In De Rain]

yeah really surprised gher loving the avatar

 

[jonny jeez]

but don't pretend it's nonsense

Sorry been busy.

I'm not "pretending" its nonsense...I'm telling you it is. You suggest we all accept your view...I (and others) don't so by definition you are incorrect

It doesn't take a genius to work out that an Audi or a BMW is more likely to be driven by someone who we recognise as thinking they own the road..

Lastly,

turn this into an argument when it needn't be one.

An argument is exactly what is required to ensure opinions like yours don't become accepted fact.

I'm sure you're a lovely chap (i mean that sincerely) but you are wrong to make prejudiced comments about people based purely upon the car they drive.

 

[dodd82]

Sorry been busy.

I'm not "pretending" its nonsense...I'm telling you it is. You suggest we all accept your view...I (and others) don't so by definition you are incorrect



Lastly,


An argument is exactly what is required to ensure opinions like yours don't become accepted fact.

I'm sure you're a lovely chap (i mean that sincerely) but you are wrong to make prejudiced comments about people based purely upon the car they drive.

You have conveniently ignored the points that show you were wrong to write what you did, and have bizarrely focused on a handful of words where you think you actually have a point.

Let's make this simple for you - at no point did I make a prejudiced comment about a person.

If you really want to be pedantic, then let's bring out the figures. I can show you the age groups and sex of the people most likely to be involved in accidents, and to speed. I can show you the age groups and sex of the people most likely to drive particular brands of vehicle.

Comments such as "I'm not "pretending" its nonsense...I'm telling you it is" are argumentative and misplaced.

There's actually a great deal of sense to what I'm saying. The fact that you don't agree, or you're being defensive does not put you in any position to call my opinion nonsense.

Consider this; what I said is exactly the same as saying that when I see an accident, I'm not surprised if it is a young driver involved. That would be a logical statement because it's a fact that young drivers are more likely to be involved in an accident.

You need to understand this isn't a prejudice, it's an opinion based on fact and observation.