Stove recommendations

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Midlands
I have cycled all over Europe - from northern Norway to Southern Greece - Western Ireland to Estonia and have never run out of canister gas

I have used it in tempertures as low as -10°C - it is there first thing in the morning to light for my morning coffee before I get out of my sleeping bag - I eat well and do not resort to dried or dehydrated food

Out of Europe multifuel is probably the best bet - Otherwise even in "unhospitable" places you still have to buy fuel somewhere - I have always managed to find gas and therefore it is my choice
 

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I have the MSR whisperlite international (£60ish). If your looking for something that will burn the most kinds of fuels and works in any condition this is pretty much the best thing to go for. But it's flame is very powerful, so getting something to simmer is quite an art. Also it takes a few mintues to get the flame going (as you have to release a bit of fuel into the cup and burn it off to build up the heat).

I use the MSR XGK II multifuel stove, which is really for basecamp use. designed to melt snow, still light enough to carry when I am in far off lands, as with the rest of the MSR range of multi fuel stoves it will burn most types of fuel availble, including cooking oil. Its downside is like all the Multi fuels stoves including those of different makes is that they take a minute or so to prime and get up to heat, also they can be a bugger to control the simmer rate, again depending what fuel you use. Also for those who are old enouch and wise enouch can remember the Primus stoves, then they work on the same principles, and make as much noise, my XGK sound like a jet fighter when it running.
 

Tim Bennet.

Entirely Average Member
Location
S of Kendal
The endorsement of Trangia's by the D of E is about their suitability for use by beginners and their ease of maintenance as communally owned equipment. They have no moving parts, they are stable in use, can be used outside by those who aren't allowed to cook inside a tent, and there's only one dangerous thing you can do with them - that's refill the burner while it is still alight.

But that doesn't make them an ideal stove for your requirements, unless you're a juvenile idiot who can't be trusted with something hot and have the mechanical nous of a chimp.


Gas stoves are by far and away the best choice for anywhere in Europe, they are fast, convenient and controllable. The ones with the burners separate from the container are also supremely stable. If you're winter camping, then the propane/butane mix will work. Despite the 'advances' of the newer types of resealable cartridges, the piercable camping gas canisters are still by far and away the most universal type of fuel available. Make sure you have at least an adapter to use these.

Once you leave Europe then the flexibility of use of a 'multifuel' stove might be an advantage. If it's a clean fuel area (such as parts of southern Africa, middle East and the USA), then the MSR Whisperlite International is quiet and efficient and will be easy to look after. As you go to places with dirtier fuel (Parts of China, Mongolia and countries along the Silk route), then a simpler stove like the MSR XKG will be easier to maintain and less fussy about contaminants. (But the simple 'roarer' burners are noising to live with!). If the fuel is really crap, don't use your stove; punch some large holes around the rim of an old bean tin, half fill it with sand, soak in petrol and light.

If you're going somewhere really cold where your only source of water is melting snow, then take two MSR XKGs.

Finally don't be tempted to use these 'heat capture' things that clamp round your pots. Even on winter trips melting snow for all the drinking water, they never saved their weight in fuel on trips of less than 14 days between re-supplies.
 

willem

Über Member
It does indeed all start with the choice of fuel, and that is first and foremost determined by where you go and in what climate. I think for third world use, at low temperatures and for larger quantities the multifuel stove is the stove of choice. These are the smelly spidery contraptions connected to a separate fuel bottle by a hose. They are the descendents of the old Primus parafin oil stoves of yesteryear, and of the similar looking petrol stoves. The two important modern innovations have been that these no longer have a large bronze pressure vessel, but use a separate metal fuel bottle. That makes them rather lighter. The second innovation is that almost all of them are now multifuel, meaning that they can use petrol of various kinds (but preferably not car petrol), paraffin oil, or even Diesel (in an emergency). Some new Primus models can even use gas cannisters of the threaded valve type. There are also disadvantages. They mostly do not simmer very well, although some are better than others. They are also a bit smelly because of the fuels you use, and they are fiddly. They are heavier than most alternatives, they clog up with dirty fuel, they need maintenance, and they need to be adjusted while you are cooking. But you can get fuel everywhere, they work a treat at really low temperatures, and they are hot. If you need to melt snow in the Andes, this is the way to go.
Gas cannisters have all the obvious advantages of low weight and convenience. The lightest ones are those that you fit on top of the cannister. They are primarily for solo use in nicer weather. The Snowpeak 100 has consistently come out best in Backpackinglight tests. The biggest disadvantage is fuel availability, as a result of the proliferation of three different types of cannisters. The puncture type are easiest to get, but a bit heavy and clumsy (you cannot disconnect them) and because they are not 100 % safe. Of the valved cannisters there are two types, with the threaded Lindall valve (Optimus, Primus, Coleman and just about everyone), and the click on valved cannisters sold by Camping Gaz. The problem is that in France you cannot really get the threaded canisters, and France is an important destination fo rmany. There are two solutions. The first is to get a multi standard burner, such as made by MSR and now also Primus. The second solution is to get an adapter, such as those made by Edelrid (there are different types, such as puncture to threaded - heavy but useful, or click to threaded, less versatile but lighter). The second problem with gas stoves is their low temperature performance. The solution is what is called liquid feed, where you invert the cannister, and feed liquid gas rather than gas gas. Of course, this demands a different and rather heavier construction with the cannister next to the burner, and connected by a hose. The good news is of course that these stoves are also much more stable, and can use bigger and heavier pots. It is important that such liquid feed can only be done safely (and this is very important) if the the burner has a pre heating loop. Jetboil and others have now also introduced more efficient integrated systems (following in the footsteps of the Trangia), but these are heavy and best suitable for boiling water rather than cooking a real meal. The Primus Eta Express has dangeously high levels of CO emissions.
The third type are the meths stoves. The beauty is that in Europe and the US (HEET fuel line de-icer) meths is almost always easy to get, and cheap. They are also relativley safe stoves as meths does not explode. Meths stoves have no moving parts, cannot get clogged up, or whatever. They are the most reliable stoves you can get, and with a small pre heating cup they will work to below freezing (not at really low temperatures). The central downside is that meths does not contain as much energy as other fuels, so you will use more of it (but you can get it everywhere) and since the flame is not very hot, you need to use it as efficiently as you can. Hence the design of the enclosed stove and windscreen. As a consequence, it is relatively heavy. Trangia have tried to solve this to some extent by introducing a new UL (ultralight version that uses stronger and thinner material, and this has helped quite a bit. So get the UL version (the cut price offers are usually still the heavier models). Trangia have also introduced two additional surface treatments. The first is a teflon coating for non stick purposes. This is heavier and wears, of course. You may consider it for the frying pan (you can buy a new one seperately when it is worn). For the other pots and the windscreen, and perhaps also for the frying pan, there is also the more expensive hard anodized surface. This is also somewhat non-stick, cleans easily, and will last longer. Unless you are on a tight budghet I suggest you take this, with either the HA frying pan or the teflon one, depending on your priorities. The normal Trangia comes in two sizes (forget about the Trangia mini, it does not have the special windscreen). Trangia says the Trangia 27 is for 1-2 people, and the larger Trangia 25 for 3-4. I think that is too optimistic. Unless in a pinch, I would not use the Trangia 27 for two, and similarly, I would not use the Trangia 25 for more than 2-3. I think they are solo and duo stoves respectively. The weight difference is relatively small, but small differences have big consequences if there are enough of them.
Trangia also offer two alternative burners, a 178 gram gas cannister burner for threaded valves (with preheating loop). This increases the weight by only 68 grams, but the gas fuel is lighter. This makes sense in the Trangia 25, but less so in the 27, I think. Trangia also have a multifuel burner. The old one was a special version of the Optimus Nova (but you could also adapt the original Nova) and now a Primus one that can even use gas cannisters. I have the Nova for the Trangia, and occasionally use it in the Trangia 25. It is enormously powerful, and I would only use it in the Trangia 25. It just does not make sense for smaller solo quantities, and I doubt it would get enough oxygen in the 27 (did not try it, however). It makes for a rather heavier set up, of course. My Trangia 25 UL with Nova weighs 240 grams more than the meths Trangia 25. Looking at it differently, using the 325 gram Trangia 25 stand and windcreen instead of the original 125 gram Nova stand (that you remove for use in the Trania) is 200 grams heavier than the Nova without any windscreen. So in this application think of the Trangia as a 100-150 gram heavier but better windscreen than a 50-100 gram sheet of foil. In the Trangia 27 the difference would be even less, of course (50-75 gram), but as I said I doubt if this makes much sense and will work quite so well (any done this?).
The Trangia pots deserve a special mention, because they can be bought separately, and they are great. They are relatively cheap, and weigh as little as your average titanium pots. See http://www.trangia.s...0eng%202010.pdf Their heat dispersing properties are much better, however. So you could buy a Trangia set, use it when meths seems the best fuel, and use the pots with a small gas stove when you need the lightest gear, or a multifuel stove when that is what you need. If you need the lot, get a Trangia 25 with multifuel burner.
There are also lightweight meths alternatives. Many are very light but not very practical. I think the Clikstand and the Caldera cone are the two most useful ones, as they effectively save you some 200 grams with an alternative windshield. The Clikstand is the heavier one, but I think also the more practical one. A Clikstand with windscreen, original Trangia burner, one pot and one frying pan would be some 400 grams.
I hope this helps.
Willem
 

smeg

New Member
Location
Isle of Wight
I use an Optimus Crux Lite (uses screw-in type canisters), Gear-Zone seem to be selling them for a good price, I paid more for mine off Webtogs but got free p&p. It's very light and has a wide burner which is means more even heat distribution and less chance of food sticking to the bottom of the pan and burning, which is easily done depending what you're cooking using lightweight pans - I hate it when that happens it's also very difficult to clean burnt stuff off the bottom of the pan, usually means leaving it in soak overnight. The only thing I don't like about it is it doesn't seem so great control-wise if you want it turned down very low for simmering etc, it's easy to put it out completely and having to relight it, which is a pain in the ass. It's still a great little stove though. The MSR Pocket Rocket was the other one I was considering before purchasing the Crux Lite. I'm not sure which is the better of the two.
 

Amanda P

Legendary Member
We use a Trangia or an MSR Dragonfly.

The Trangia is light and packs very neatly, but it's a bit slow and meths can be hard to find. It's also difficult to get it to light when it's really cold - sleeping with the bottle is good advice. Meths in some parts of the world is really smelly, and the smell never comes out of clothes.

The slow isn't a problem - it's a matter of routine. When setting up camp, set it going before you do anything else. Then when the tent's up, the water for your tea will just be boiling. Similarly in the morning, light the stove first thing, then pack up while it's boiling.

We got the MSR because it will go on virtually any liquid fuel. It's a pain to spend valuable holiday time searching for meths or gas canisters in foreign parts, but it's always easy to find petrol stations. We've had it going on heating oil, diesel and petrol, but usually use petrol. You can buy petrol or diesel pretty much anywhere, and it's cheap. There are no empty cannisters to carry or to fill up landfills.

It's true that petrol isn't particularly pleasant stuff, but here's what we do: fill a 1l fuel bottle at a petrol station (never had a problem doing this, despite the "minimum 2l delivery" notices. If they want to charge me for 2l, that's fine. It's still cheap). The bottle lives in a bottle cage on my bike, with the pump in place. Once filled, we don't need to ever open the bottle until it's empty again, so you never come into contact with any petrol, and if it should leak, it will be away from clothes etc.

It will light in any weather, hot or cold. It burns very hot on full blast and will boil as fast as an electric kettle. I have no problem getting it to simmer. Running on petrol, the jet blocks from time to time, but a little shake usually cures it, or failing that a five-minute take-it-apart-blow-it-out-and-put-it-back-together has always fixed it. MSR sell all the parts as spares, and it comes with a pack of spare parts and a jet pricker.

It's not cheap, but the time we've saved NOT hunting for hardware shops that sell gas or meths has made it well worth it.

Oh, and flying with gas or any fuel is troublesome. Having to buy it when you arrive is dead easy if you just want petrol.
 

andym

Über Member
No such thing as a perfect stove. I think if you're going really off the beaten track then it's worth considering having more than one system: ie multi-fuel plus alcohol as a backup (there are some really light ones) in case your multi-gas stove gets blocked etc and you've run out of spares or whatever.

But can I also enter a plea for the wood-gas stove? (eg Bush Buddy/Bush Cooker etc). OK not for everyone, but perfectly feasible and practical, and there's something very satisfying about a 'real' fire. Would work well in tandem with another cooking system - either as the main system or as backup.
 

andrew_s

Legendary Member
Location
Gloucester
Oh, and flying with gas or any fuel is troublesome. Having to buy it when you arrive is dead easy if you just want petrol.
It's not unknown for the stoves to be confiscated.
Best to make sure that there's no residual smell of fuel at all, so at least you stand some chance of arguing if they check.
 

Amanda P

Legendary Member
It's not unknown for the stoves to be confiscated.
Best to make sure that there's no residual smell of fuel at all, so at least you stand some chance of arguing if they check.

That's true. I generally rinse out the MSR fuel bottle, and the stove, with hot water and detergent, so it doesn't smell, and have had no trouble yet. It's good practice to remove the stopper of any fuel bottle before you fly, so that on X-ray they can clearly see it's empty.
 
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Crankarm

Guru
Location
Nr Cambridge
A huge thank you to everyone for taking the time to reply whether a short or longer post. What has clearly emerged and I guess was self evident when I posed the question that there is clearly no perfect stove. There are literally 101 types of stove on which to cook a cat.

My thoughts are at present a Trangia 25-6 UL non stick stove with a gas burner attachment. I am thinking non-stick as I'm not sure how non-stick and durable the hard anodised finish will actually be so will plump for the genuine non-stick finish which is only an additional 115g heavier. I don't feel comfortable cooking with bare aluminium what with Alzheimers and dementia scares. My nan used old aluminium pans all her life and she lost her marbles in the end. Very sad.

But the main reason I am considering a Trangia stove is because of their apparent wind shielding properties and stability. Also Trangia do a Multi Fuel Burner inc Fuel Bottle & Pump as an additional accessory which I might well purchase when I plan to go further a field, however, the cheapest I can find this is at an eye watering cost of £120 on it's own or £150 including either a 25 or 27 UL stove. So it is not cheap.

Currently I have a basic £10 single gas burner attachment that screws into the top of a Camping Gaz canister with a motley assortment of ali bowls and a small frying pan to cook with. One of the probs of a single gas canister with burner screwed in the top, as I'm sure everyone is aware, is stability and the risk of having an accident and also picking one's baked beans out of the dirt or grass.

The only down side I can see for the Trangia stove is the relatively low heating power of meths or spirit as a fuel compared to gas or petrol. I don't fancy sleeping with a bottle of meths when it becomes cold either. So if I buy the Trangia I will use it primarily with the gas burner attachment to fit to a separate gas canister, an additional £45 not including the gas canister. I also found out today that Coleman, Primus and MSR gas canisters have a different fitting to the Camping Gaz canisters widely available in France. Typical of the French.

I will probably get the Trangia stove in the next couple of days. So all told it will cost about £100 which was my budget. I'll also try and get a spare meths burner, as once filled it will burn for approximately 25 mins according to Trangia before running out and needing a refil. So a 2nd burner to continue cooking would be a good idea rather than waiting for it to cool to refill and resume cooking which would mean the food would be cold again.

At the same place where I plan to buy the Trangia stove they also have an MSR Whisperlite stove on sale for about £30-35 less than elsewhere so might buy this as a back up stove as MSR say it can burn white gas, kerosene or unleaded petrol so this might tick the box for the off the beaten track stove. It is a much cheaper option than spending a further £120 on the Trangia multi fuel burner accessory which I suspect is an ever so slight rip off.

As regards destinations, before the winter is here, deepest Wales is on the cards and also maybe Morocco if I can afford it £££ and time - the Atlas Mountains. But maybe Wales or the Norfolk coast will be all that I get to see before the year is out.

But next year a much more substantial bike ride ............

Anyway if out in the back of beyond, hungry, tired, cold, wet and thoroughly fed up, a Burger King/KFC/MacDonalds comes clearly into view, then deciding whether to give it a miss and set up camp and cook my own, might not be quite so appealing, new stove or not ............

Travelling in countries or on continents where food is plentiful and dirt cheap one doesn't really need a stove .........

Hopefully there will be more posts of good advice and experience using stoves on the road.

Thanks again for everyones' inputs.
 

the_mikey

Legendary Member
I've used a Coleman petrol stove, it's brilliantly hot to work with but you do need to carry around a can of petrol with you when you use one. They're not particularly compact either, but again, they're wonderfully quick when boiling a kettle!
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
I will probably get the Trangia stove in the next couple of days. So all told it will cost about £100 which was my budget. I'll also try and get a spare meths burner, as once filled it will burn for approximately 25 mins according to Trangia before running out and needing a refil. So a 2nd burner to continue cooking would be a good idea rather than waiting for it to cool to refill and resume cooking which would mean the food would be cold again.

There's no need for a second burner. When there's any sgn of the fuel running out in the burner; remove the pan, extinguish the flame with snuffer lid, remove the snuffer lid, carefully refill the burner then relight and replace the pan. The evaporation of some of the meths combined with the conduction of heat from the burner by the colder liquid meths renders the operation safe.
 
There's no need for a second burner. When there's any sgn of the fuel running out in the burner; remove the pan, extinguish the flame with snuffer lid, remove the snuffer lid, carefully refill the burner then relight and replace the pan. The evaporation of some of the meths combined with the conduction of heat from the burner by the colder liquid meths renders the operation safe.

Bad practice that, I saw someone do that, thought the flame was out as he could not see it, in went the new fuel and up he went and his tent also, a very nasty experiance for him and the rest of us.
 
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