Stubben idiot

[MessenJah]

Oh.

 

[hackbike 6]

there's no reason why the bus driver couldn't show a bit of courtesy.

Perhaps he wasn't taught any manners.

 

[Joe24]

I dunno, moving a bike back i find hard when clipped in, might just be me though.
The easiest thing is to let me out, no-one can really say it isnt. The Highway code isnt always right, priority/right of way doesnt always work.

 

[fossyant]

I'm middle of the road on this - no need to swear at the fella - buses are tricky to negotiate tight corners, and some folk just won't think to let someone go first - usually as another idiot will fill their place. Don't forget mistakes happen - with a bus you can't easily correct a silly mistake - he could have possibly said sorry....

Chill a bit mate, you are young and headstrong.

I had a run in with a 17-18 year old moped rider - thought he was hard...all 9 stone of him....gave me loads of verbal after he nearly knocked me off - well came within 9-12 inches of me...wouldn't accept he had made the mistake....had to leave it as a 38 year old 12 stone fit fella would be in trouble for lamping them...still a kid really.

Chill dude !!

 

[Joe24]

I was very chilled at the time, but when someone does that route nearly everyday, so many times they should be able to see whether they would struggle down the road or not, and be able to see how they could make it so they dont have to struggle.
I wasnt aggressive to the guy either, i did swear, but in a tone that wasnt really aggressive. I don think that all 9.5stone of me would go very well up agaisnt a guy that would of weighed alot more then me.

 

[dantheman]

weight isnt the only factor, usually, if someone hits fast, hard, and FIRST, they will be the victor, its useless using the "schoolyard banter" (ie pushing and "come on then) if someone really wanted to hurt someone, usually (for a man) a quick jab in the throat, then a kick in the balls puts most on the floor choking.


i am however a kind person and dont like to use or see or indeed condone any such violence....

 

[dantheman]

i never even swear at anyone- "not unless they fu*king piss me off"

 

[Joe24]

weight isnt the only factor, usually, if someone hits fast, hard, and FIRST, they will be the victor, its useless using the "schoolyard banter" (ie pushing and "come on then) if someone really wanted to hurt someone, usually (for a man) a quick jab in the throat, then a kick in the balls puts most on the floor choking.


i am however a kind person and dont like to use or see or indeed condone any such violence....

I dunno, never really had a fight, but i will remember that should i ever need it

 

[snorri]

but when someone does that route nearly everyday, so many times they should be able to see whether they would struggle down the road or not,

Maybe it was his first day on that route.
The rights and wrongs can be argued forever, but the whole incident is certainly not worth getting steamed up about, if you cannot cope with minor frustrations like this you should travel by bus or walk.

 

[Joe24]

NEVER!!! Actualy i normally am very calm and relexed, and still was calm when i met this bus driver.

 

[domd1979]

+1

Sounds like the whole thing could have been avoided with a little eye contact and visual negociation.

In Joe's position, I'd have moved back/over to let the bus get off the main road, myself. There are plenty of tight turns here in York where right of way has to give way to common sense to allow buses to get round. However, eyeballing the driver with a smile and an expression of "can you let me go, so I'm out of your way?" might well have lead to him waving Joe on perhaps?

It wouldn't have hurt Joe much to give the driver room, just as it wouldn't have hurt the driver to let Joe out.

 

[domd1979]

FFS. It isn't just cyclists who occasionally get a hard time on the road. Bus drivers put up with a lot of crap, and I have a lot of sympathy with them.

Perhaps you should try driving a 12m x 2.5m bus round a tight route and see how you get on? Idiotic parking, no-one stopping to let you out of stops, rude passengers, sometimes pressure to keep to unrealistic timetables in congested traffic, and on it goes. As regards road markings, as has been mentioned, look at the swept path of a bus when it turns, it isn't the same as manoevuring a Ford Fiesta.

firstly if you have any gib from bus drivers, report them!! should be ewasy to do as you know the bus route number and time and it shouldn't be that hard to find the bus comapny's telephone number.

.... going back to the original problem; if the bus had to cross over the central dividing line when joe(?) was next too then surely the driver is in the wrong?

 

[domd1979]

It is all about consideration and acting together, so why is the conclusion that the bus driver should wait? If its all about acting together, there's two logical conclusions - the other being the cyclist could chose to be courteous to the bus. Or is it all about consideration, except the cyclist is always right?

I think you need to consider all aspects of this situation. Yes, it's generally accepted that the bus had priority. But it's not just about rights on the road. It's about consideration and all acting together to keep traffic moving more safely.

It wouldn't have hurt the bus driver at all to let joe out.

 

[TwickenhamCyclist]

Maybe it was his first day on that route.
The rights and wrongs can be argued forever, but the whole incident is certainly not worth getting steamed up about, if you cannot cope with minor frustrations like this you should travel by bus or walk.

Snorri – I saw the smiley but;
Isn’t it the point that such an incident isn’t as cut and dry as some, and is therefore worthy of debate. Technically Joe24 was not breaking the law or the HC when he positioned himself at the junction, and technically the bus had priority (although in my opinion if you can’t make the turn without cutting the corner you’re on rather dodgy ground).

It’s a prime example of where two road users need to actually think for themselves and cooperate rather than just “rely on the law” so to speak. It’s interesting to me that opinion is divided as to the rights and wrongs of the incident. I also think that, myself included, you’d possibly take different actions on different days depending on your state of mind (for want of a better expression).

I wonder what the bus would have done if it had been a police car waiting to turn right instead of Joe, or indeed what Joe would have done if it was a police van wishing to cut the corner?

btw: I notice that in the op Joe24 said he did move, but lots of posts seem to be criticising him for not moving. It’s my personal opinion (and practice) that when I need to turn right into a minor road and there is any vehicle waiting I let them out if appropriate/safe – but I’m sure on occasional days/times I’m not as considerate as I think I am.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

I'd have let Joe go, if it was me driving my truck in the same position. Although I have been in that position when I've started to make the turn and someone (usually in a car) has driven up to where Joe was when I'm halfway round the corner. I remember once nosing my trailer wheels right up to the bonnet of the car, then stopping and asking him (politely!) to reverse. The conversation went something like:
ME: "Would you mind reversing mate, so I can get round?"
HIM: "Piss off. It's my right of way."
ME: "OK. Would you like some coffee? I'm just about to put some on, since I can't go anywhere."
... followed by him very grudgingly backing up.
I think, on balance, the easiest option all round would have been for the bus driver to indicate to Joe to go. He wouldn't even have needed to put himself out for that to happen, and he'd have found it considerably easier to make the turn. On the other hand, it was his "right of way" (yes, I know) and you shouldn't have sworn at him for exercising it.