Stuck seat post help

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SteveParry

Guru
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WIRRAL
I bought an older bike cheap. Then discovered the aluminium seat post stuck in the steel seat tube. I've read all about using caustic soda etc but don't want to try that. I emailed the 'Seatpost Man' in Chorley Lancs. He quotes £80 to remove and sacrifice the seat post. That would also mean a 60 mile round trip - I'm on the Wirral. Does anyone know a mechanic nearby who might be able to help?
 

Animo

Über Member
Worked for me:

Turn bike upside down. Remove a bottle cage bolt from the seat tube. Spray WD40 penetrating stuff down there. Repeat over a few days. Keep giving the saddle a whack. Eventually came loose.
 

sevenfourate

Devotee of OCD
For the average guy with limited tools: Lubrication / plus-gas etc from all directions - and some heat; even with a hairdryer - might well help,

Then bike / frame upside down with seat post in a vice TIGHT (Can insert another metal tube up the inside if at all possible; so vice can be done up REALLY tight without crushing the original / stuck post (And causing more issues) - then use the frame as leverage to twist and move the stuck post.
 

Big John

Legendary Member
If you're not careful you'll spend more on getting the seat post out than the bikes worth. Google will give you endless possible solutions but all will require time and patience. I'm not aware of a magical quick fix. What I would say is don't try drilling it out unless you really know what you're doing. The boss of our local bike charity lost a week of his life drilling and not only didn't get the post out but buggered the frame. Not his smartest achievement. The seat tube was a visible mess and rendered the bike unusable.
 

Ajax Bay

Guru
Location
East Devon

Since the aluminium seat post will expand with temperature more than the steel seat tube will, what is the beneficial effect of heat?
https://sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

"heating the seat tube technique is worse than useless when you are dealing with an aluminum seatpost stuck in a steel frame, because aluminum expands twice as much as steel . . .
"In fact, the converse technique will often do the trick for aluminum seatposts - cool the seatpost down as rapidly as possible."
 
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SteveParry

SteveParry

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Location
WIRRAL
I've sprayed some Plusgas into the inverted seat tube - will leave overnight. Tomorrow I will give a tap or two with my wooden mallet in case that frees it. If not I might try applying cold (bag frozen peas) to the top of seat post while wrapping a boiling hot rag around the seat tube below. Then more taps with mallet. Will update.
 
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SteveParry

SteveParry

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Location
WIRRAL
Then maybe I'll just try the cooling the seat post. Other than a bag of frozen peas is there a better option eg some kind of 'ice spray'?
 

Gillstay

Veteran
Since the aluminium seat post will expand with temperature more than the steel seat tube will, what is the beneficial effect of heat?
https://sheldonbrown.com/stuck-seatposts.html

"heating the seat tube technique is worse than useless when you are dealing with an aluminum seatpost stuck in a steel frame, because aluminum expands twice as much as steel . . .
"In fact, the converse technique will often do the trick for aluminum seatposts - cool the seatpost down as rapidly as possible."

It gives movement to the two metals and so enables gaps to appear through which good penetrating oil can seep.
 
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SteveParry

SteveParry

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Location
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Update:
So after several days of Plusgas down the tube and tapping with my wooden mallet there was zero progress. Today I went to the Seatpostman in Chorley and we are... FREE AT LAST! John did an excellent job. He said it was a longish post. So even though I thought there couldn't be much post in the frame it was a 30 or 40 cm post. He said it was corroded all the way down to the bottom though I didn't see it I believe him. He explained the process by which the aluminium corrodes and expands is called 'exfoliation' and creates high pressure against the seat tube. So no amount of freezing would have freed it. It was a 27.2mm Shimano post - 'modest' in his words because the clamp has only one screw to adjust position on the rails. I said SJSCycles are selling their own branded Thorn 27.2 posts at £10 and I was thinking of getting one. He said better get a post with two screws fore and aft to position saddle on rails easily and precisely. So i've held off that for now.

I brought my saddle from my Harry Hall audax which is on a 27.2 post with me. It went in fine though we didn't tighten the clamp up at his workshop. After the 90 mile round trip I tried it at home. But there was a PROBLEM! The clamp male bolt wouldn't tighten sufficiently before reaching the end of the female bolt. It just went to a hard stop and the post, though tight enough not to slip down, would easily rotate with one hand. I did a quick first ride after several weeks of looking at the bike. Frame size seems fine even as a 'large' 56cm ( I normally ride a 21 1/2" /54cm), just needs new brake pads. So I phoned John thinking something major had gone wrong. He was very helpful and reassured me - rarely someone puts the wrong bolt in the seat clamp. And this could be the only explanation; seat tube, post and clamp were all fine. How the wrong bolt held the post in the first place I don't know. Maybe because there was corroded aluminium inside the tube walls producing a sort of friction fit? As it had seized it was academic anyway. He said it more often occurs when people use the wrong length bolt in chainrings on the chainset. They tighten and tighten an over-large bolt but get nowhere until they discover their error. I asked if, when he cleaned it out afterwards, he might have removed some of the tube walls. He said not significantly - the swelling is from the aluminium corrosion or exfoliation. He advised me to check the bolt shoulder length with my vernier gauge. I haven't done this yet - just measured with steel rule. Then i realised the Harry hall has a similar seat post clamp and top it out. it seems to be a match for diameter - 8mm and significantly shorter. I tried it in the Hewitt and it fits - I can now tighten the pinch-bolt up properly so the post doesn't slip or twist.

While John was working - it took about an hour - I visited the Paul Hewitt Cycle shop in Leyland; ten minutes drive away from Chorley. It's an old building with timbered beams across the ceiling and nice and cool on this hot day. It was empty apart from me. An older gentleman appeared and asked if i needed help. I said I'd just left my Hewitt bike with John up the road and thought it would be good to see where it came from. He said 'I am Paul Hewitt' ! We then chatted about the Cheviot model I'd bought. He showed me a cutting on the wall with a photo of three cyclists taken from a BBC doco shown sixteen years ago called 'On Hannibal's Trail'. They were each riding a Cheviot! I remembered watching the three Australians setting off from Carthaginia and following Hannibal's crossing of Southern Europe and the Alps - with elephants - to fight Rome in the second Punic war. Clips from the doco are still online: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t6skb/clips
 
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