The 8 Most Wildly Irresponsible Vintage Toys

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guitarpete247

Just about surviving
Location
Leicestershire
When I wer a lad...........1960 one of the "science" lessons was for the teacher to drop a penny (a real penny) in a large glass bowl full of water. Into this he put 2 electric wires connected to some sort of gizmo with a handle. We all had turns trying grab the penny while the teacher wound the handle up at increasing speeds to give us bigger & bigger shocks..........I wonder what the H&S would do if that happened now :ohmy:
I used to teach science in the mid 80's. One class experiment I did with 4th years (year 10) was "Fractional Distillation of Oil". Not allowed now. Has to be dem. done in a fume cupboard.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
My dad was a chartered chemist and decent as a glass blower.

I've had a dabble at it, I found it easier than pottery.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
Not the volts per se that kills you but the amps.

IANAE.

Volts jolt, mills kills. 55 milliamps or thereabouts is enough to do the job.

My gonads received a 100kV shock from an electrostatic powder coating gun during a bizarre initiation ceremony at a powder coating plant back in the late seventies. The current however was 10 microamps.

I still haven't forgiven my brother for doing it to me.
 

Milkfloat

An Peanut
Location
Midlands
I used to teach science in the mid 80's. One class experiment I did with 4th years (year 10) was "Fractional Distillation of Oil". Not allowed now. Has to be dem. done in a fume cupboard.

I remember doing that, I think I was one of the few people in class who did not end with burns or oil splatted on the ceiling.
 

Levo-Lon

Guru
We're all still here..think the worst thing to happen to me in a science class was after lighting the gas tap ,
the quite beautiful mrs bullimore ran over to me and kicked me in the shin.. dangerous lady..:wub:
 

Saluki

World class procrastinator
I had a chem set for Christmas one year (confiscated by parents when I made gunpowder as per the instructions). I had a Plasticraft set - those sets where you made resin and set shells and stuff in. My sister got as high as a kite sniffing the stuff (confiscated by parents). We did glass work at school in science and art. I made a little birdcage type thing with heating the glass rod things up on a bunsen burner and making shapes - great fun.
Never got a nucleur energy set like the Gilbert one though. Can't think why
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Volts jolt, mills kills. 55 milliamps or thereabouts is enough to do the job.

My gonads received a 100kV shock from an electrostatic powder coating gun during a bizarre initiation ceremony at a powder coating plant back in the late seventies. The current however was 10 microamps.

I still haven't forgiven my brother for doing it to me.

yebbutt - what, if anything, does that actually mean? I know that kind of thing is regularly said, but a voltage of 100kV will give you a pretty big current, but in th case you mention, dropping quickly to zero (and zero voltage) as the device is discharged. Thus high voltage low current is a bit of a nonsense for the reasons in my previous post. Transient high voltage quickly dropping giving transient high current also quickly dropping -fair enough, but that's usually not how it's stated.
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds

So you think that risk has been removed?

Number eight - Glass blowing kits.
Glass blowing kits might not be available but some glass blowing still takes place in science clubs to make Hero's steam engines and thermometers.

Kids can still do it and it's still fun.

Number seven - Molten lead casting kits
White metal and pewter casting materials are still available to those 'in the know'. it's done in some school technology departments too.

Kids can still do it and it's still fun.

Number six - Stevens Model Dockyard Locomotive
Mamod and Wilesco steam toys are still available. They are made safer by being adapted to use soild fuels - metaldehyde.
There's nothing stopping youngsters from using methylated spirits in Trangias though.

Kids can still do it and it's still fun.

Number five - Powermite miniature power tools
Clearly the author is unfamiliar with the Dremel and Black and Decker hobbyist miniature power tools - freely available and capable of of much more damage.

Kids can still access miniature power tools and it's still fun.

Number four - Working toy ovens, irons and more
Tracy V, the author clearly hasn't burned herself with her hair straighteners. I've lost count of the number of girls that I teach who have borne the temporary scars inflicted by GHDs.

Kids can still use hot tools e.g. glue melt guns and it's still fun.

Number three - Gilbert chemistry set
There's nothing stopping the well informed youngster getting hold of the self same chemicals in much larger quantities from Amazon. DAMHIK

Kids can still get the chemicals and it's still fun.

Number two - Austin magic pistol
Hurrah! Something that kids can't get their hands on any more. However big kids i.e. my fellow undergraduates and I used to get calcium carbide and blow up our dustbin which much bigger flames, explosions and dramatic effects. The writer displays her ignorance of chemistry by suggesting that ammonium nitrate is a suitable substitute for calcium carbide.

There's no equivalent toy - no fun at all.
But you can buy vintage calcium carbide cannon from America on Ebay.


Number one - Atomic Energy Labs
The risks are overstated. Radium and Uranium are alpha particle emitters and although alpha particles are strongly ionising they are stopped by paper and skin. Radon gas, the decay product of Radium can be inhaled but the quantities involved are way lower than those encountered in the home in places like Cornwall in house with unventilated sub floor voids. Anyone still in possession of old luminous clocks, watches and other instrumentation possess have radioactive sources with far greater activity than the stuff found in school and probably the Gilbert kits. As for dry ice risks - the author isn't familiar with the fact the dry ice was freely available from stores for domestic refrigeration purposes in the USA and dry ice handling was a mundane activity. It's still available now. The use of the Fahrenheit scale -109.3˚F gives a bigger negative value than that on the Celcius scale -78˚C. Antarctica has been colder.

Here is someone handling pure Uranium
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The Ruthinium beta radiation source has a relatively short half life of around a year
The Zinc 65 gamma ray source has a half life of eight months

The Gilbert's kits cost the equivalent of around £300 in today's money, were sold for only a year and had poor sales.

Only sold in 1950 and 1951. Of limited appeal. The experiments are quite boring really. Its absence is no great loss.


Overall it's a poorly researched and poorly written article. The risk averse society, and scientific and technologically illiterate authors generate an income from similar tripe.

I'm off to play with my flame throwers, pyrotechnics, live steam engines and pulse jets.

I know how to have fun. :biggrin:
 

vernon

Harder than Ronnie Pickering
Location
Meanwood, Leeds
yebbutt - what, if anything, does that actually mean? I know that kind of thing is regularly said, but a voltage of 100kV will give you a pretty big current, but in th case you mention, dropping quickly to zero (and zero voltage) as the device is discharged. Thus high voltage low current is a bit of a nonsense for the reasons in my previous post. Transient high voltage quickly dropping giving transient high current also quickly dropping -fair enough, but that's usually not how it's stated.

Current limiting electrickery in the electrostatic charge generator makes such things possible. It's not an instant discharge as my gonads will testify.
 

PeteXXX

Cake or ice cream? The choice is endless ...
Location
Hamtun
I used to work as a scientific glass blower many moons ago. Probably 1975 ish
 
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