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The CycleChat Helmet Debate Thread

Discussion in 'Helmet Discussions' started by Shaun, 5 Sep 2015.

  1. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

  2. I thought "that's weird, wouldn't 'Helmet Angel' be a better name?"

    But I see it's a typo, and that's its name.

    (I don't go fast enough for helmet noise + I make a lot of snuffling noise that no amount of ear guards could suppress)
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  3. Justinslow

    Justinslow Lovely jubbly

    Email from my daughters high school.
  4. MontyVeda

    MontyVeda a short-tempered ill-controlled small-minded troll

    Are you going to write back asking how a cycling helmet will 'ensure' their safety?
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  5. Adrian

    Adrian Heed the elf's wisdom

    I take it you won't be bothering to ask them for the risk assessment underlying that decision. Let's hope that someone does.
  6. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy Veteran

    Are they also requiring that parents do not park within 800 metres of the school to ensure pupils safety?
  7. Justinslow

    Justinslow Lovely jubbly

    My daughter doesn't ride to school, we're probably 4 miles away from the school but the roads are all really busy around school drop off times and she is only 11 with little road experience she won't be riding any time soon, she catches the bus.
    Just thought I'd throw it on here as it's interesting debate.
    Seems wrong to me though even though I'm generally pro helmet. I don't make my kids wear them when they are just going to the park in our village.
    I wonder what has prompted the school to take this action?
    I might email asking why, it doesn't bother me too much but I can understand it would bother some people.
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  8. Justinslow

    Justinslow Lovely jubbly

    My dissatisfaction with the email got the better of me and I have replied seeking clarification of why this course of action has been taken. I mentioned the "evidence" and the detrimental health impact of people not cycling due to compulsion even though I generally choose to wear a helmet myself. We'll see what kind of reply I get!
  9. Fab Foodie

    Fab Foodie hanging-on in quiet desperation ...

    Surely it’s none of their business how children get to school?
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  10. snorri

    snorri Legendary Member

    True, but most CycleChatters are a patient lot and are happy to respond to the same old questions and misunderstandings on countless cycle related topics from a succession of newbies:smile:.
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  11. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Firstly, the lack of children cycling and the roads being really busy around school drop off times are connected, a motoring death spiral for schoolchildren. :sad:

    Secondly, an 11 year old with little road experience? Big :sad: - I think when in the last few years of primary school (we changed at 11), we went loads of places on our bikes. I think we had to be near home before dark and were told to stick to the direct crossings of the A5 (not the staggered ones where you could get stuck in the middle of the road waiting to turn right) but the country lanes were fair game. I'm very disappointed if that childhood freedom has been taken away.

    I did go to school by bus at first, but a combination of bus bullies and traffic jams too often making us late meant I started cycling. This also gave me more freedom to stop off at friends who lived in other villages with a fairly long walk and no bus link to mine. Surely schools should be trying to encourage physical activity, not squash it with helmet rules?

    https://allpartycycling.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/get-britain-cycling_goodwin-report.pdf page 59 section 4.2 "Schools, colleges and employers alike should be incentivised to promote cycling for their pupils and work-forces respectively, e.g. through bike to school and bike to work initiatives (see also 4.6 and 4.9 - 4.10). They should be encouraged to work with local authorities and others to improve cycle access, cycle parking, and facilities such as lockers and showers – with funding made available to support this. They should not simply seek to ban or restrict cycle use, or to impose helmet rules – these are not only misguided in terms of health and safety, but may also be illegal."

    Probably prejudice and ignorance of the more-recent-than-the-highway-code guidance from parliament (above), NICE, https://timrgill.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/cycling-rpt-gill-05.pdf and so on. If you're really pro-choice, then shouldn't you challenge this?

    Also, today, helmet compulsion, tomorrow a ban on SPDs? Already some schools refuse to let children clip in for Bikeability training. How long before they start making up other rules to stop any sort of cycling that the teachers dislike?

    Technically they're not restricting it. They're only denying access to parking, same as we weren't allowed to drive up in a tractor and expect to leave it in the school car park (I did my A-levels at a school, so some people passed their driving test before we left school). Of course, their hope may be that if you have to carry a hard hat to use the parking, you'll decide your head is a good place to carry it, right up until you injure yourself as a consequence and give up this dangerous activity.
  12. Mugshot

    Mugshot Guru

    I'm sure you must be aware that there are less children cycling on the roads than there used to be, or at least there certainly appears to be. Whilst I am quite sure it's mainly due to people being more reluctant to let their children ride on the road, or even be outside unsupervised, I suspect there's other factors at play, computer games for a start. The days of gangs of kids racing around on their brand new bikes on Christmas Day are a distant memory.
    That of course is what makes these sorts of instructions so disappointing, at a time when we should be making every effort to encourage youngsters to cycle we get this kind of thing which can stop any progress in it's tracks.
    I wonder if the school will be buying helmets for those that maybe can't afford them?
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  13. benb

    benb Evidence based cyclist

    Sincerely, and without wanting to come across as condescending, I'm proud of you for that.
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  14. Justinslow

    Justinslow Lovely jubbly

    It's just becoming more aware of the subject through CC that I feel the need to question the decision despite my own choices to wear or not to wear one.
    Personally I think what they've done is mad.
  15. Adrian

    Adrian Heed the elf's wisdom

    And people say that this thread is pointless.