The CycleChat Helmet Debate Thread

Discussion in 'Helmet Discussions' started by Shaun, 5 Sep 2015.

  1. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Oooh, you'll probably get complaints about 40mph being the horizontal speed not the vertical speed, so you may want to refer to https://www.cyclechat.net/threads/paper-helmets.147263/ or consider that travelling at 40mph considerably increases the risk of an impact into a kerb edge (which is tested) having a significant horizontal component (which isn't tested).
     
  2. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy Veteran

    Location:
    Mars
    Don't know whether this has been posted, but well worth reading again.

    http://www.cyclehelmets.org/1081.html
     
  3. benb

    benb Evidence based cyclist

    Location:
    Epsom
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  4. the snail

    the snail Über Member

    Location:
    Chippenham
    Not much point imo, if you bang your head into something at any significant speed your neck will probably snap anyway, helmet or not.
     
  5. Liz Su

    Liz Su Über Member

    I wear one because it keeps the rain off my hair, its high viz so it helps motorists see me and also it keeps my head warmer in winter.
    I think if you were involved in a bad crash then a cycle helmet wouldnt be much use.Even with a crack to the head I think they are not robust enough to protect you.
     
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  6. Thomson

    Thomson Active Member

    Talk about cycle helmets or not. I drove to the local shop before about half six driving back down the high street. Saw a cyclist dark clothes with no lights at all on bike. No helmet on. An when I drove past I noticed they had headphones in. You just can't help some people.
     
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  7. Profpointy

    Profpointy Guru

    Yes, and even more astonishing is some car drivers drive with the windows shut and the radio on
     
  8. YukonBoy

    YukonBoy Veteran

    Location:
    Mars
    Drivers pass helmeted cyclists more closely than unhelmeted cyclists (because unhelmeted cyclists seem more vulnerable), and so helmeted cyclists are more likely to get hit
     
  9. Shut Up Legs

    Shut Up Legs Down Under Member

    It's not illegal to cycle without wearing a bicycle helmet in the UK, so I don't see what the problem is there. Also, you saw the cyclist, so he/she was obviously visible enough.
     
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  10. Brandane

    Brandane Rain magnet.

    Location:
    Ayrshire.
    Yet another "a helmet saved my life" scaremongering post doing the rounds on FB, accompanied by this pic:

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    The message accompanying it is that "either your helmet takes the punishment or your head does".
    Looks to me that it only proves that helmets are made of cheese. Apparently it's only smart arses who think it's ok to ride without a helmet. Charming.
    Are these people sponsored by helmet manufacturers?
     
  11. I like Skol

    I like Skol Hold my beer and watch this......

    Location:
    Ashton-under-Lyne
    This was forwarded to my wife last week by a 'friend' after my recent serious RTC that resulted in me being hospitalised with a fractured skull and neck broken in two places. I don't wear a helmet and still have no inclination to do so when I get back on the bike. My none serious head injury on the R/H side and broken neck on the left side could actually have been an even less serious head injury and snapped spine resulting in me being paralysed from the neck down had I had a couple of inches of polystyrene strapped to my bonce at the time of the head impact (pure hypothesis and speculation on my part, just like most of the helmet wearing stats/debate/research I have managed to find and read since my injury!).
    Me and my family are pretty shook up by my incident due to the feeling that we were within a gnats whisker of losing, or effectively losing me from the family. Why do these people think it is ok to send such unfounded tripe that calls me an idiot when I have been nearly killed by a driver not looking where they were going? :angry:
     
  12. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Ask them? I hope they're what's sometimes called "well-meaning sadists" rather than helmet seller stooges.

    Does anyone know where the original picture is from? It looks like the back of the helmet, below the tested protected area (basically the top), has hit something and broken up without compressing much. It may well only have saved the wearer from some nasty road rash to the back of the head and possibly their neck muscles would have been enough to hold their head off the ground if it hadn't had a quarter-pound weight tied onto its furthest extreme.
     
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  13. Taken by the guy who shared it, or a friend of his I'd guess. He is in Dunedin NZ, and a quick google shows there is a Dunedin fire & rescue uniform behind him
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    But I now see Simon is an expert on evidence driven medicine ....

    (and cycling!)

    (Screen shot attached if the FB embed doesn't work)
     

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  14. benb

    benb Evidence based cyclist

    Location:
    Epsom
    I don't understand why people persist in thinking that an anecdote like this, with a photo of a damaged helmet, trumps all of the existing scientific evidence which shows no detectable beneficial effect of helmets.

    It's possible, but not at all definite, that a helmet did prevent a more serious injury in this case above.
    But even if that were the case, it doesn't follow that helmets are effective enough to justify promoting them as a head injury reduction intervention.
     
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  15. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Good spot. Real "would you trust this man with your life?" stuff. Anti-healthcare but pro-helmet... says something about whether he's a reliable interpreter of evidence. :banghead:

    I really wouldn't make this shoot up.
     
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