HLaB
Marie Attoinette Fan
Did Bborb's camera evidence not get used in court and helped in a successful prosecution, on the other hand Magnatom's seems to have been ignored (for the want of stronger words).
The first was bad enough, the second...
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Did Bborb's camera evidence not get used in court and helped in a successful prosecution, on the other hand Magnatom's seems to have been ignored (for the want of stronger words).
MrHappyCyclist
Riding the Devil's HIghway
- Location
- Bolton, England
Well, to be fair, I think Magnatom's case failed because the police felt they couldn't prove that the driver was actually the one driving, so it wasn't about whether video evidence was helpful or not. If he'd captured the man's face, then it might have been different.
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
My RTC went to court and the video was used as evidence to secure a conviction. bbborps was also used in courts as was someone else's (i forget their name) where a bottle was thrown at them.
Who were the numpties on the 999 line? Didn't seem to have clue about the local roads and had to have the name spelled out to them multiple times and then multiple repeats of what had happened. What would have happened if it had been a real emergency. Do they use Indian call centres for 999 these days?
thats scary, was the mad woman drunk ? or legally blind ?
I cant see how this can be anything other than 'due care' for the silver focus.
thank god nobodys seriously injured...
aahh,, i can see why she missed him,, she probably looked when the van covers him,,,, not an excuse but a reason why here poor visibility skills failed..
*always* look properly at junctions ffs
I cant see how this can be anything other than 'due care' for the silver focus.
thank god nobodys seriously injured...
aahh,, i can see why she missed him,, she probably looked when the van covers him,,,, not an excuse but a reason why here poor visibility skills failed..
*always* look properly at junctions ffs
grr
i know people who'd manned 999 centres and they have the same problems, they seem to have gone more to having larger and larger centres ( which makes sense to even out manning levels) but relies on having a very good database system, which seemingly they dont' have.. probably better with the system google uses on its maps app!
I remember a few years ago calling 999 once on Christmas Eve because I'd seen a man climbing round to the outside of the notorious 'suicide bridge' on Archway Road, North London. I told them I didn't know the name of the road the bridge was ON, but it was over Archway Road and they really should send someone as this bridge is so notorious for suicides they've had to install spikes and barbed wire around the top of it. But they said they hadn't heard of it, and if I couldn't tell them the name of the road they wouldn't send anyone. And that was that.
, i've tried to report a bloke going into the back of a house... 'whats the address?'
' i dont know, i only know the road i'm on, which is the back of the houses'
' dont you know the road the house is on?'
'well , no, i dont live here, i'm just walking past'
i can understand they need info and to be accurate, but frankly, i'd write them a better database system..
daSmirnov
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Horsham, UK
I assume it was the car behind, who did manage to see what was going on.
HLaB
Marie Attoinette Fan
That's what I thought he said too, its not just you
On the subject of phonecalls, folk might remember sleekitcollie broke his collar bone, we were on a country road out of Stirling (there's not many), a local gave the name but they couldn't find it, we were outside a farm, 'Lochend' iirc but they couldn't find that, the farmer came by and gave the exact address, but they still couldn't find it, we then gave them the gps co-ordinates, they still couldn't find it. Eventually they did but I cant recall how, and sent an ambulance out, its a good job it wasn't life threatening injuries; the ambulance itself got there in minutes however.
BlackPanther
Hyper-Fast Recumbent Riding Member.
- Location
- Doncaster.
Ouch. I'm shocked by the man who knocked caused the acident. I'm shocked by the blind woman who drove straight over. I'm shocked by the police response, firstly the time it took just to take the details, and also by the amount of time it took to get there. I'm also shocked by the lack of help from the public. Why the heck does an injured (potentially badly injured) cyclist lying on the ground have to ring the emergency services? Shame on all the passers by.
cycleruk
Active Member
- Location
- Peterborough
i am speechless
i hope the rider involved gets every thing sorted and gets riding again soon
CopperCyclist
Veteran
Right, lets get one thing on the record. In England and Wales, if you are filming on a bike cam in a public place, the footage can be used as evidence in court. If you get a policeman tell you otherwise, they are cutting corners. I can't quote for certain for Scotland, but can't imagine it being too much different.
People hint that hes having problems with the police? Anyone know exactly what problems? If this was my case I don't think anything could be so cut and dry. Two independent witnesses at least (by my count of people coming forward), and decent quality footage.
I can anticipate him having to wait some time for the insurance companies to pay out for his bike whilst they argue whether it was the blokes fault for causing the accident, or the womans fault for running it over. Personally I'd go for the woman, but this would be civily argued between the insurance companies and likely to drag on.
Prosecution-wise, I'd be looking for advice from the injured party about what he wanted, but I'd suggest driver-improvement scheme for the bloke if eligible and prosecution for the woman: not because her attitude was so bad (though it was) but because I see her error as much more serious, as she failed to notice a cyclist crash, scream, skid across the floor in front of her, and promptly drove over him!
People hint that hes having problems with the police? Anyone know exactly what problems? If this was my case I don't think anything could be so cut and dry. Two independent witnesses at least (by my count of people coming forward), and decent quality footage.
I can anticipate him having to wait some time for the insurance companies to pay out for his bike whilst they argue whether it was the blokes fault for causing the accident, or the womans fault for running it over. Personally I'd go for the woman, but this would be civily argued between the insurance companies and likely to drag on.
Prosecution-wise, I'd be looking for advice from the injured party about what he wanted, but I'd suggest driver-improvement scheme for the bloke if eligible and prosecution for the woman: not because her attitude was so bad (though it was) but because I see her error as much more serious, as she failed to notice a cyclist crash, scream, skid across the floor in front of her, and promptly drove over him!
gaz
Cycle Camera TV
- Location
- South Croydon
Scotland should be the same but it's hard to get the police to agree. As magna tom recently found out when he tried to report someone and he nearly got arrested for using a camera. Even though that would be totally wrong.
We are not aware of what his issue is. But I had an issue when i first supplied footage for a case earlier this year and I was told that video footage could not be used in court. Where as that is up to the judge to decide and not the police. An easy work around but shows what some low paid, not knowledgable desk workers 'know'
