The legality of emergency vehicle lights

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Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
I had a near miss today with a rapid response ambulance. Immediately prior to this, the vehicle had its emergency lights on but then turned them off when it got to a set of traffic lights I was waiting at.
The vehicle approached from the opposite direction on the other side of the traffic lights, I was the first vehicle on my side. The RRV turned its lights and siren off just before it reached the junction, it then entered the right turn lane and stopped at the red light.
Traffic coming from the side road was very cautious as they too were confused as to what the ambulance was doing.

In my mind, the ambulance had used it lights and sirens to break the speed limit and was not in a real emergency, or the call had been cancelled (this is just speculation though and I do not know the reason for the ambulance turning its lights off). So as the lights were off, I figured that the vehicle should be treated as any normal car now. So when the traffic lights changed, I set off.
To my surprise, the ambulance turned right infront of me. Forcing me to stop and they also stopped. I was totally bewildered as to why the driver had just done that.
Eventually the ambulance continued on and I was just left in a world of amazement.
The ambulance didnt activate its lights again or speed off as if it was attending to an emergency.

The reason for this thread (please dont get distracted guys) is that I want to know about the legality of the ambulance deactivating its lights and sirens. Should I have given way even though he had turned off his lights? Was he in the wrong for turning infront of me?
I dont want to jump to conclusions but as far as I know, without emergency lights activated the vehicle should be treated as any other and abide by the same road rules.

N.B. I was driving, not cycling.
 

twentysix by twentyfive

Clinging on tightly
Location
Over the Hill
You were in the right - they were in the wrong. Lights on or not.
 

sheddy

Squire
Location
Suffolk
Yesterday I was driving behind a Police Car when he brakes suddenly and pulls a 3 point turn.
The Copper would have given me far less of a fright if he had switched on the blue lights before the stunt, rather than afterwards !
 

Ern1e

Über Member
You where completly correct but I have just had a very quick phone chat with a good mate of mine who for his sins is a RRV driver and as he as just told me they are called upon if a regular front line ambulance is unable to attend in a given time,so if said RRv is called out then stod down due to ambulance being able to attend then he would no long be in an emergency situation so he would turn of the lights etc and act as normal so perhaps this is what he/she did then was just a SMIDSY until the last moment thus why they stopped !
 

Sara_H

Guru
Not relevant to the right turn part of your question, but don't assume that an ambulance not using lights/sirens or speeding is not responding to an emergency.

Theres evidence that driving at speed can have an adverse effect on the condition of some seriously ill patients in the back of ambulances. Drivers will be expected to drive steadily. Lights and sirens may well only be used in order to get through traffic as research suggests that use of lights and sirens can effect the drivers behaviour, making them more likey to drive in a way that can adversly effect the patient.

I've been in the back of an ambulance with some of the sickest patients imaginable without using lights and sirens for a whole 60 mile transfer.
 
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Matthew_T

Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
You where completly correct but I have just had a very quick phone chat with a good mate of mine who for his sins is a RRV driver and as he as just told me they are called upon if a regular front line ambulance is unable to attend in a given time,so if said RRv is called out then stod down due to ambulance being able to attend then he would no long be in an emergency situation so he would turn of the lights etc and act as normal so perhaps this is what he/she did then was just a SMIDSY until the last moment thus why they stopped !
I imagine this is the important point. If it was a proper emergency still, then they would have probably carried on when they saw I was stopping.
It would also explain the sharp lane change that they did after the lights went off.
 
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Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
Not relevant to the right turn part of your question, but don't assume that an ambulance not using lights/sirens or speeding is not responding to an emergency.

Theres evidence that driving at speed can have an adverse effect on the condition of some seriously ill patients in the back of ambulances. Drivers will be expected to drive steadily. Lights and sirens may well only be used in order to get through traffic as research suggests that use of lights and sirens can effect the drivers behaviour, making them more likey to drive in a way that can adversly effect the patient.

I've been in the back of an ambulance with some of the sickest patients imaginable without using lights and sirens for a whole 60 mile transfer.
I should have been clear. The vehicle was an MPV (Honda CRV to be specific). Single male driver, with no patients in it. It was not a full sized ambulance.
 

Ern1e

Über Member
I should have been clear. The vehicle was an MPV (Honda CRV to be specific). Single male driver, with no patients in it. It was not a full sized ambulance.
Yes around here it's a Skoda estate and he seems to spend more time sat waiting than doing anything but like the man says he is there if needed.
 
Difficult to tell as its so dark but it looks to me that they've pulled away from the lights to turn right with the intention to wait for you to pass but then you've jammed the brakes on and beeped away causing some confusion.

Also from the blue coloured battenberg it looks like a police are rather than a ambulance. Blue= police, green = ambulance, red = fire.
 
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