Vapin' Joe
Formerly known as Smokin Joe
Tell that to Gary Glitter.
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Are the Presidents of these federations not the ones who vote for the UCI President ??
festival
Über Member
Are the Presidents of these federations not the ones who vote for the UCI President ??
Exactly.
Russell Allen
Well-Known Member
I think of the USADA report as having breached the dam, the true ramifications wont be known until the floodwater has made its way downstream. I think a few ex sponsors\teams\riders etc are going to be dragging LA through the courts, bogging him down in legal action for years to come. I also believe that once the public shine comes off Saint Lance of Livestrong, his charity may get some less than welcome investigative attention from the press.
This is all going to take a long time to work its self out but I think the genie is out of the bottle now.
Russell
This is all going to take a long time to work its self out but I think the genie is out of the bottle now.
Russell
Vapin' Joe
Formerly known as Smokin Joe
I think you're right.
There'll be more dirt to come too, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few leaks from former or current UCI employees detailing what they knew and what they did to cover it up. I can see public opinion eventually turning in America too, whether it does or not any political ambitions Armstrong had are stone dead.
totallyfixed
Veteran
And 46% of them believe the earth was created in a single day 10,000 years ago, probably a higher percentage in Austin.
rich p
ridiculous old lush
..by Lance?
totallyfixed
Veteran
I wouldn't rule anything out, seriously.
http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/national/cancer/lance-armstrong-foundation-in-austin-tx-3996
What exactly are your concerns?
PaulB
Legendary Member
Those who do a lot of work for 'charidee' tend to be absolved for a lot of sins. Priests, Savilles, Pharmstrongs; they get away with a lot, don't they? Until the tally man comes around.
I'm still missing the specifics of what you think it's done. All I'm seeing at the moment is some non-specific mud slinging.
Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
Dick Pound says he doesn't believe the UCI didn't know, and also that he suspects that the way they organized EPO tests was designed to fail.
Strathlubnaig
Guru
48 freaking pages, my LA tolerance has reached George Carlin levels...
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTr2GSVUGg&feature=player_embedded
do not watch if easily offended.
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlTr2GSVUGg&feature=player_embedded
do not watch if easily offended.
DogTired
Über Member
My concern is what they do. Not what they say they do. Not what people think they do. What they actually do and deliver. This you can get from the Livestrong web-site. The annual output is pretty thin for $30 - $50 million.
In terms of the link:
1. The BBB is not in any way an independent assessor of charities.
2. In any case the review has expired so this is next to meaningless.
3. It states that LAF funds research but LAF does not fund research which pretty much shows the information is out of date, incorrect and just plain wrong. At a minimum standard 15 should be a big fat red !.
4. Considering the validaty of facts in the link theres not much point considering it further.
If you can come up with a nice link of what cancer sufferers have got for half a billion dollars of donations it would make interesting reading. Having gone through several years of the Armstrong reports where LAF go on about championing 'Cancer Awareness' above just doing something about it, the tangibles are thin on the ground.
mrbadexample
Senior Member
I've read the "Reasoned Decision". Every word of every page. Not all the appendices + supporting information but most of the important ones.
I'd always been a fan of LA - I've taken days off work to sit and watch the mountain stages, I've got myself out to France to see a bit of the action. I'm gutted. I finally believe that there's a 99.9% chance he doped. But I don't think the USADA proved it. The report was a lot of hearsay from the likes of Landis & Hamilton, other riders with something to gain. A lot of guilt by association, a lot of non-evidence ("Hamilton gets the peloton to wait after LA crashes" - what's that got to do with drugs?"). They use the word "overwhelming" 18 times. Say it enough and people will believe it. To me it did smack of a witch-hunt, with Tygart determined to make his name as the man who took Armstrong down.
So yeah, he did it, but the USADA didn't prove it with any truly concrete evidence to my mind. I don't think you'd have hung a murderer on that evidence.
I'd always been a fan of LA - I've taken days off work to sit and watch the mountain stages, I've got myself out to France to see a bit of the action. I'm gutted. I finally believe that there's a 99.9% chance he doped. But I don't think the USADA proved it. The report was a lot of hearsay from the likes of Landis & Hamilton, other riders with something to gain. A lot of guilt by association, a lot of non-evidence ("Hamilton gets the peloton to wait after LA crashes" - what's that got to do with drugs?"). They use the word "overwhelming" 18 times. Say it enough and people will believe it. To me it did smack of a witch-hunt, with Tygart determined to make his name as the man who took Armstrong down.
So yeah, he did it, but the USADA didn't prove it with any truly concrete evidence to my mind. I don't think you'd have hung a murderer on that evidence.
