There is no need for God..

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twentysix by twentyfive

Clinging on tightly
Location
Over the Hill
That's a good theory , I was watching a documentary the other day where scientists were discussing the likelyhood of all life on earth being wiped out ,an extinction event just like the Dinosaurs by a comet/meteor, butapparently it's not 'if' it will, its a case of when. But life on earth started again ! What if the Big Bang was when the Universe before this one ended ? Apparently the Universe is expanding ,but there will come a time when it will stop and start shrinking !

Well - it didn't start again - it evolved from species which survived the meteor. - As will happen after the next catastrophe. Folks tend to assume all life = humans. Usual humancentric assumption.

Latest measurements say the universe is expanding at an increasing rate - so no stopping/shrinking
 

twentysix by twentyfive

Clinging on tightly
Location
Over the Hill
That’s the trouble I’m a nobody that believes in God were Hawking is a man of knowledge and people will follow his teaching as he knows more then them, were I just read the Bible and believe in something I can’t prove, but my faith tell me that there was a Creator i.e a God that started it all off.

That's just not how it works. Because Hawking has a track record in sceince and has delivered some acknowledged excellent work he is in a priveleged postion to have his ideas published. However if the observations (now or in the future) do not substantiate his speculative ideas then the ideas will get dumped and forgotten or at best modified. That's the difference between a critical approach to the "theory of everything" and some faith that is built on a belief that can't be proved. Theories only survive if the observations bear them out - they do not depend on "the teachings of ghurus". The Christian (and other) God "theories" are not theories at all as they are not allowed to be modified in the face of evidence.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Well so far, having read a couple of chapters it's not fireworks. The quotes in the times and other places mostly seem to be one of the last paragraphs in the books.
 

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
I the same vein as Hawkin's suggestion that there is no need for God ... well, there is no need for XmrsIS to have a curvy arse, but hot damn, I like it!
it falls to me to meld the excellent Professor and curvy arses in to the same sentence by mentioning that the Professor has apparently been to Stringfellows, and not just the once. Who'd have thought it?
 

andyoxon

Legendary Member
John Lennox's bit from the wail...
... But, as both a scientist and a Christian, I would say that Hawking's claim is misguided. He asks us to choose between God and the laws of physics, as if they were necessarily in mutual conflict.


But contrary to what Hawking claims, physical laws can never provide a complete explanation of the universe. Laws themselves do not create anything, they are merely a description of what happens under certain conditions.


What Hawking appears to have done is to confuse law with agency. His call on us to choose between God and physics is a bit like someone demanding that we choose between aeronautical engineer Sir Frank Whittle and the laws of physics to explain the jet engine.

That is a confusion of category. The laws of physics can explain how the jet engine works, but someone had to build the thing, put in the fuel and start it up. The jet could not have been created without the laws of physics on their own - but the task of development and creation needed the genius of Whittle as its agent.


Similarly, the laws of physics could never have actually built the universe. Some agency must have been involved.

To use a simple analogy, Isaac Newton's laws of motion in themselves never sent a snooker ball racing across the green baize. That can only be done by people using a snooker cue and the actions of their own arms.


Hawking's argument appears to me even more illogical when he says the existence of gravity means the creation of the universe was inevitable. But how did gravity exist in the first place? Who put it there? And what was the creative force behind its birth?


Similarly, when Hawking argues, in support of his theory of spontaneous creation, that it was only necessary for 'the blue touch paper' to be lit to 'set the universe going', the question must be: where did this blue touch paper come from? And who lit it, if not God?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...n-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...g-You-explain-universe-God.html#ixzz0zGDY0NED
 

buddha

Veteran
Either I'm a little tipsy or does Hawking's text-to-speech thingy sound similar to the voice olde pastor Jones? There's the seed for a conspiracy theory if ever there was one.
 
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