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donnydave

Über Member
Location
Cambridge
Just had a completely avoidable confrontation (on my part) arising from a completely avoidable (on his part) mega-close pass. I will regail you with the tale, although its generally predictable/boring but hey, you don't have to read it.

Half a mile from home, nice wide straight road. 3 cars pass. First two nice and wide. 3rd one (as is always the way) mega close and cut in sharply. I was riding a strong secondary to avoid pot-holes and drain covers but had to bump over one.

I've preached before about how good I am not to rise to this sort of thing but I absolutely could not resist on this occasion. Bad week at work and all that. However, I did retain a modicum of restraint and when I saw him take the same turning I was about to take ahead, into the residential area of my village, a plan had already formed in my mind.

Basically I followed him home. He tried to boot it through the side streets but he got held up by other people turning into driveways etc. He reversed into his driveway and I cycled very slowly past (stayed clipped in and nearly fell off) and gave him a good old look. He gave me a friendly wave, or at least that's how I interpreted it.

From a psychological/sociological (sorry for not knowing the difference or which one applies here) it was absolutely fascinating to see him wind the window up and stay in the car as I wobbled slowly by. I've never been in a position of power like that over someone before. I laughed to myself that he was actually intimidated by me. I went round the next corner then doubled back. He obviously thought the coast was clear so when I returned he was just locking the car and he stopped dead, I could see his body language change was very defensive, he had something in his hand, a book or notepad or something, that he drew across his chest like a shield. He obviously knew he had done wrong when he gave me the close pass but it never occurred to him that he would be face to face with me again soon after.

I'm tall but pretty thin and pale, certainly not intimidating. He appeared to be best friends with Mr Kipling but it was very interesting to see how things changed when we were on a more level playing field.

I stopped (remained seated on the bike) and said with outstretched hands palms down "just a friendly word please, that was a bit close, can I have more room next time"

He replied with something that had some light swearing in but I didn't entirely catch it so I just said "The other side of the road was clear so it really wasn't necessary"

Him: "What you're doing now isn't necessary" Some may agree this is a fair point.

I looked at his car and said his registration number under my breath (although I don't think I did it obviously enough for him to realise) and cycled off smiling.

I thought about the danger of future escalation, but he knows that I know where he lives. Not that I would ever use that to my advantage (absolutely honestly I wouldn't!) but it must have occurred to him.

I'm trying to think what the motivation for the pass in the first place was. Laziness, didn't realise it was actually close? His reaction would suggest he knew he was doing it. Perhaps just bloodymindedness at those idiot cyclists always going through red lights.

No fear of punishment as it was a quiet road, not many people around.

Inflated sense of self importance/ need to stamp status on others? Assumes because I cycle to work I must work a non-skilled low paid job. (Ha! Next time he flies anywhere and the landing gear operates successfully, who should he be thanking?! :whistle: )

Or, without trying to sound smug and smarmy, based on his appearance maybe jealousy at someone in good health? I don't know. I'm rambling now trying to fill in time before my wife gets home and I can have my tea. I read a fascinating piece linked by someone on here (sorry can't remember) about the fear of something different. Blokes view of the world is everyone drives to work. Sees someone commuting on a bike and enjoying it. Cyclists are not normal, they are outsiders and are to be feared.

Well anyway that was a good long post. Missus has just arrived with food and beer. Bye!
 
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donnydave

donnydave

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Location
Cambridge
 

PedalCat

I like sandwiches
I laughed to myself that he was actually intimidated by me.....I'm tall but pretty thin and pale, certainly not intimidating......

Him: "What you're doing now isn't necessary" Some may agree this is a fair point.
If you're pale, maybe you look like a cold-blooded killer.
As for his comment, what he really meant was "oh no, my pathetic and cowardly aggressiveness has come back to bite me and i want my mummy". So many of them can dish it out from inside a car, but when you catch them up at the lights it's very different.
 

TheJDog

dingo's kidneys
On my way over to Highgate for some hills this evening I had a mega close pass from a land rover evoque. Closest I've ever had. Caught up with him at the lights, rested my bike against the front of his car, walked round, called him some ghastly names, tried to open his back door for comedy value (as on other thread), and eventually rode off. We passed each other twice more, and I gave him a salute (one fingered) each time.

Your story reminds me of the time my dad followed a guy for 10 miles in the car, and then sat on his bonnet in the drive for ten minutes. Eventually the guy made a move to get out, and my dad said "give it a minute more," stayed for another five minutes, then drove off.
 

Chris-H

Über Member
Location
Bedford
Well just goes to show that their not as big as they think they are without their car, good for you mate for what you did. I'm a fairly confrontational bloke at times but last week I surprised myself, I was cycling along Bedford embankment which also serves as a cycle path and a real lardy slobby looking bloke with some young teenage looking girls shouted at me to "get on the road", he looked at the girls to see how suitably impressed they were to which I promptly replied that he should "get on the treadmill" which made girls scream with laughter, I was quite proud of myself for that instead of yelling obsceneties back at him.^_^
 

BlackPanther

Hyper-Fast Recumbent Riding Member.
Location
Doncaster.
I'm trying to think what the motivation for the pass in the first place was. Laziness, didn't realise it was actually close? His reaction would suggest he knew he was doing it. Perhaps just bloodymindedness at those idiot cyclists always going through red lights.

....or distraction? Mobiles, I-pads, radio, Google glasses (now they are scary), the list goes on.
 
I have done a similar thing (some time ago). I felt utterly right in doing so at the time but have had creeping doubts and a little guilt ever since.

I entered a hilltop Herefordshire village with a 30mph limit at about 25mph and went quickly up to 30+ for the descent. A little white hatchback sat RIGHT on my tail until it gunned up and close-passed me. It was damp, but not wet. It was a scary and unnecessary pass when I was exposed and vulnerable.

Having passed me it braked quite close to my front wheel (4-5 metres, but I was doing 30+) to turn right into a cul-de-sac. I was SOOO cross and slightly scared by the driving, so I followed. It was like a page from the HOW NOT TO DRIVE AROUND CYCLISTS textbook.

The driver was a woman probably in her 60s. I asked if she'd seen me. She had. I asked why she passed me when I was already doing the speed limit. She said "I did think you were going rather fast. There's a sharp bend at the bottom of the hill". She was well spoken and had a kindly look.

I didn't step onto her drive and I kept saying silly things like "I'm sorry, I don't want to alarm you, but I do want you to know how close you came to knocking me off". The more I tried to sound reasonable and rational, the greater the impression that she thought me a mad axeman.

Upshot: I think I scared her. I think she thought I was riding too fast. I think she probably thought I was unhinged. It was all a little bit John Clesse (my tone) crossed with Joe Pesci (my appearence). She was probably unsettled by the whole episode.

I quite understand why the OP did as he did. At least his collocutor was not a defenceless, little old lady. I still ride down that hill past the cul-de-sac quite regularly. Sometimes I wince in regret as I do so.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
Well done Donnydave. :thumbsup: You didn't go too far but you did do "something", I believe the driver will take more care in future.

Tbh I have these confrontations every week, I cycle down a very busy 1.5 mile road during rush hour, pinch points & camera's everywhere + stressed out aggressive drivers. At the bottom of the hill are 2 sets of traffic lights, I can quite easily catch a driver that passes me half a mile before them. If somebody has done something to offend or frighten me, I don't let it go, a shake of the head or a raised fist does FA, 90% of drivers apologise immediately, some know what they did, others didn't and because some don't know, it's worth confronting them..
 

Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
I have done a few "death stares" in my time resulting from a close pass. Doesnt really do anything but draw the persons attention. I dont really mean anything by it but maybe if they see me looking at them, they will realise that something is or was wrong.
I have had a few people respond to me staring at them but I have just ignored them and continue staring. Then the lights change and we go our separate ways.
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
"I thought about the danger of future escalation, but he knows that I know where he lives. Not that I would ever use that to my advantage (absolutely honestly I wouldn't!) but it must have occurred to him".

Close pass me again homeboy and ill send the boys round and it wont be pretty.
 

PedalCat

I like sandwiches
I have done a similar thing .... A little white hatchback sat RIGHT on my tail until it gunned up and close-passed me....Having passed me it braked quite close to my front wheel (4-5 metres, but I was doing 30+) to turn right into a cul-de-sac....I didn't step onto her drive and I kept saying silly things like "I'm sorry, I don't want to alarm you, but I do want you to know how close you came to knocking me off". ....Upshot: I think I scared her. ....Sometimes I wince in regret....
Her driving as you describe it was aggressive, maybe even vicious. It was totally reasonable to have a polite but firm word.
 
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