Three cheers for the Bull

[661-Pete]

My gran used to weave all her own carbon...

I still can't figure out how to knit yoghurt. Perhaps someone could help me out...?

Anyone remember the old Survivors TV series (the original 1975 one, not the re-make)? In an early episode we meet an old guy in a boarding school, still alive, hearing aid about to give out. He makes some pretty salient points. Like: how will you write? Where will you get the material to make a pencil lead? Where will you get paper? Etc. Etc.

 

[martint235]

I still can't figure out how to knit yoghurt. Perhaps someone could help me out...?

Anyone remember the old Survivors TV series (the original 1975 one, not the re-make)? In an early episode we meet an old guy in a boarding school, still alive, hearing aid about to give out. He makes some pretty salient points. Like: how will you write? Where will you get the material to make a pencil lead? Where will you get paper? Etc. Etc.

But if you're trying to survive, what will you need to write?

 

[rich p]

But if you're trying to survive, what will you need to write?

theory of relativity so you can develop a WMD to bomb your scurrilous neighbours. Plus ca change..

 

[Arch]

Perhaps better put would be: with a shotgun you're more likely to hit the target, but less likely to kill it outright unless one of the pellets pierces a vital organ. It's a matter of chance.

If I may be pedantic:

You mean that shotguns are not precise. They are accurate, assuming the person holding them is a decent shot, because they can reproduce the same result over and over. But they are not precise, because that result can vary widely from the mean.

There was a great photo on the front page of one of the papers this week, from a bull run, and the thing that made it great was the way the paper had folded. On the first bit I saw, the bottom half of the photo, was a bull, looking up at a window which had bars across it, and a single foot dangling in the shot. Flip the paper over to see the top half, and there are 6 blokes clinging to the top of the bars...

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the 'spears' they use to stab the bull are hollow and the Matador will try to pierce it's lungs, so that the bull effectively suffocates to death.

Yes, I eat meat, call me a hypocrite, but to me, I wouldn't wish a death like the one meted out to bull on ANY living creature.

That said, I love seafood, and they die ...oh no oh no oh no!! *runs off screaming*.


You'll find me cowering in the cellar munching on a turnip.


Seriously though, it has always occurred to me that I could live without meat but not fish. Hmmm, what to do??
If I went veggie, I wonder what I'd crave the most?
Time for a little experiment methinks!

 

[PaulB]

If I went veggie, I wonder what I'd crave the most?

You wouldn't actually celebrate the brutal death of a cabbage or the drowning of a family of ickle harmless sprouts by - I hesitate to use this word but here goes - eating them? Would you?

 

[Howard]

If I went veggie, I wonder what I'd crave the most?

Bacon.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Well, I've just gone for the first day without meat and I haven't missed a thing so far! (I had a HUGE plate of spaghetti for my tea).

I wonder what I'll be like next week, but anyway.


Actually, I know what I'll miss, Smoked salmon! no no no!! what will Randolph my Butler do now?!

You wouldn't actually celebrate the brutal death of a cabbage or the drowning of a family of ickle harmless sprouts by - I hesitate to use this word but here goes - eating them? Would you?

Are you actually Neil from The Young Ones??

Yes, I would celebrate because vegetables DON'T have rights!

 

[661-Pete]

I would suggest, don't go 'full-on' veggie right from day one, unless you want to do it on principles. Try a spell of interleaving veggie and non-veggie meals (which is exactly what we do). That way, the 'craving' is replaced by a 'looking-forward-to' feeling. And maybe, if you switch back to meat/fish every meal, you'll be craving after the veggie meals...?

You could try the veggie option when in a restaurant. Though it is rather hit-and-miss: depends on the restaurant. I have had some disasters - which is why I more often go for one of the fish options. Part of it is my fault of course - for example, not appreciating that 'risotto' is not the same thing as 'pilau'...

 

[Crankarm]

So from reading a thread about barbaric bull fighting in Spain MDB is turning veggie .................

Call me a cynic, but something doesn't ring true. Is this just ........ bullsh1t ?

 

[Crankarm]

Since it was my thread maybe I should respond.

Turning someone into a veggie, I hope not, think I would be the last person on the planet to be a veggie. Just love my meat, Aberdeen Angus sirloin steak with a dab of garlic butter, fantastic. Only bettered by a fillet of battered Haddock served up with chips. And yes there's no finer way than to kill, gut, fillet and cook my own dinner!

One seriously big criteria for me though, the animal must of lived a life where it could live, explore and enjoy its own instincts!

Which sort of brings me full circle, the fighting bulls of Spain do live well. But who could not admire the spirit of this bull. I wish it had got away! and shed a tear for the loss of such a bright light.

Who would you rather be, that magnificent bull or one of those sad twats whose entertainment was to watch it tormented then killed?

I would rather this barbaric blood sport were stopped immediately.

How about a role reversal. A matador thrown into a coral with 3 or 4 bulls circling him, poking him and throwing him in the air for fun, whilst a heard of spectating bulls looks on mooing and stamping their hooves with delight and excitement .............. The bulls get their own back when they skewer a few of these idiots that run with them through the streets of Spanish cities notably Pamplona.

 

[theclaud]

I would rather this barbaric blood sport were stopped immediately.

How about a role reversal. A matador thrown into a coral with 3 or 4 bulls circling him, poking him and throwing him in the air for fun, whilst a heard of spectating bulls looks on mooing and stamping their hooves with delight and excitement .............. The bulls get their own back when they skewer a few of these idiots that run with them through the streets of Spanish cities notably Pamplona.

Ah yes. I remember you prefer dead teenagers to merely seriously-injured 10-year-olds...

 

[Crankarm]

Ah yes. I remember you prefer dead teenagers to merely seriously-injured 10-year-olds...

You really are a NASTY and UNPLEASANT person.

 

[theclaud]

You really are a NASTY and UNPLEASANT person.

Thanks, Crankers. I'd have settled for one of the above...

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I would suggest, don't go 'full-on' veggie right from day one, unless you want to do it on principles. Try a spell of interleaving veggie and non-veggie meals (which is exactly what we do). That way, the 'craving' is replaced by a 'looking-forward-to' feeling. And maybe, if you switch back to meat/fish every meal, you'll be craving after the veggie meals...?

You could try the veggie option when in a restaurant. Though it is rather hit-and-miss: depends on the restaurant. I have had some disasters - which is why I more often go for one of the fish options. Part of it is my fault of course - for example, not appreciating that 'risotto' is not the same thing as 'pilau'...

I was merely doing it as an experiment to see what I actually missed, and I have to say that I haven't missed very much so far.
Now, I'll have to cycle to the shop to get some cheese to have a cheese and onion omlette ...see, not a proper veggie, just an experiental one.

Unfortuately, in our house, everyone is a big meat eater, so if I said what I was doing I'd be laughed at (I have been before when I had a veggie option of something once). I'll need to make up some excuse, which is kind of pathetic really, but there you go

....Either that or I could alternate as you say, but that would defeat the purpose of the exercise somewhat.

Call me a cynic, but something doesn't ring true. Is this just ........ bullsh1t ?

Erm, no thanks.

Interestingly, do you know that pigs, horses and dogs can't get CJD, but cats can??