Tour / Road bike compromise

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dawesboz

New Member
Thanks for all the advice.
I headed up to wheelcraft last night and was recommended the Van Nik Yukon, Al's view was just to forget panniers and touring in general and get a light, fast titanium audax machine!
I was nearly parting with 800 dabs for the frame but have taken a step back to consider things.
At the mo its between the Van Nik yukon or the van nik Amazon.
I'm putting this on the back burner until Monday now as i've been obssessing for about a week and need to go and clean the horizon!

Cheers.
 

Danny

Squire
Location
York
You need to think about what sort of riding you want to do. Even on a long day ride it can be useful to have panniers to carry food, extra clothing, tools, etc. And you would definitely want them for even light touring.

Having said that I believe both the bikes you are looking at will take a rack, so you could always fit one for touring and take it off when you just want to ride fast.
 
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dawesboz

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I've been looking more closely at the tech specs and geometry of both these bikes and have decided to go for the AMAZON !

wheel craft here i come! (on monday)

YA DANCER!!!
 

Paul_Smith SRCC

www.plsmith.co.uk
Location
Surrey UK
dawesboz said:
:biggrin:Hi All.
Firtsly, i stumbled across this site on Tuesday night and love it!
Lots of great advice, and new info to digest.

I'm going to build a new bike this winter that will allow me to train on the roads at the weekend and also load up for touring when i get the chance. I have spent the last year glued to my Dawes horizon and managed to take it to the Outer Hebrides for a week and numerous wild camping trips.

I am in a quandry about whether to look for a good road bike frame with excelent strength / weight ratio..or to buy a Galaxy frame and load it with lightweight gear, Shimano 105 set etc. Problem is I can't find a dealer who will sell me a Galaxy frame only.

Your advice is most welcome!
Dawesboz

For fast day rides and lightweight touring the 'Yukon' is perfect, if you want something more robust to take heavier loads that can take 700 x 32c tyres then the 'Amazon' is probably what most would chose, note the carbon forks do not have low rider bosses, where as the alloy version do.

The the 'Amazon' will feel more familiar to the Dawes Horizon/Galaxy than the Yukon. I reviewed my own Yukon (click for link) that may be of interest, although if you still want to use your new machine for heavy loaded camping then Amazon is really the more sensible choice.

Paul_Smith
 

willem

Über Member
Thirty years ago, road and touring bikes were not that different from each other. However, over the years they have each become far more specific. You can still take a roadbike, put some clothes in a saddle bag, and ride from one youth hostel/hotel to the next. That, however, is about it. Also, you will be very restricted in where you can ride. Bad roads will take a great deal of finesse, and gravel roads are completely off limits.
This, on the other hand, is where modern touring bikes shine. The main roads have become so much busier, that touring cyclists have escaped to the minor roads, and sometimes even gravel roads and the like. Riding there has also become easier with the avaibility of mtb parts and gearing for touring bikes. Thus, the emergence of the modern semi off road tourer: the 26 inch bike with clearance for wide tyres, wide range gearing, and traditional drop bars. This is what I ride, and I think it is perfect for modern touring conditions. Fit 50 mm Schwalbe Marathons, or even Marathon XR's, and there are few places where you cannot venture. Fit 26x1.75 Panaracer Pasela's, and you have a pretty fast and nippy bike (but not a racing bike).
The audax bike is somewhere in between, but yet it is not really a jack of all trades. It is not as fast and precisely handling as a competition road bike, although that may not matter too much. More importantly, and depending on your own weight, it cannot handle that much luggage. If you yourself are light, and if you choose 135mm hubs with 36 spokes, ultralight camping gear (12-15 kilo) should just about work out. However, this will still not let you ride a bit off road, and thus restrict where you can go. For that, a minimum of 35-37 mm tyres is required, and that means cantilever brakes.
So, if you want a jack of all trades, I think it has to be a fastish bike that is up to loaded touring on bad roads. The Dawes Galaxy is a classic choice, but so is the Thorn Club Tour. If you want to spend more, any good framebuilder can build you something like this, including variants with a Rohloff hub.
Fit wide sturdy tyres, and you are all set for touring. Remove rack and mudguards, and fit 30mm Grandbois Cypres tyres (or less extremely 32 mm Panaracer Pasela's) and you have a reasonably fast bike.
Alternatively, you can go my route, i.e. get a really nice 26 inch tourer, and spend a little bit on an old secondhand racing bike with clearance for mudguards and 32 mm tyres. Old racing bikes really are just audax bikes by modern standards. And they can be had for next to nothing. A modern audax bike is obviously nicer, and that is what I am saving for at the moment. But it is really not necessary if you want to have fun.
What I am missing on my old racer, however, is the Schmidt generator hub that I have on my touring bike. A winter training bike really should have one. That could be a reason for avoiding an older 27 inch racing bike such as I now have (not much point in still getting an expensive wheel made for it).
Willem
 

fenman

Senior Member
did lejog on colnago dream if i dont fit in the saddle bag you dont need it pubs best for stops saves looking for evening meal 10 days 1040 miles just go for it !!!!
 
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