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willem

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The lightest bikes would be 26 inch audax bikes with 50 mm wide tyres or 650B audax bikes with 42 mm tyres (650B is an old French tyre size that is becoming increasingly popular again, though not yet very much in the UK). If you go to a custom builder you can have them from 11 or perhaps more realistically 12 kg, including rear rack and mudguards. A much cheaper alternative would be to get a second hand steel 700c road bike and do a so called 650B conversion with 42mm Grandbois Hetre tyres (New wheels and new brakes is all you will need). If you can find a bike with enough clearance for the Hetres, this would be a cheap, comfortable and very classy option. I would also keep the drop bars. Finally, I would fit a Thudbuster ST seatpost. These are the best you can find, and are far more comfortable than sprung saddles. You need a bit of seatpost length, but if you have that, they are great. I think they are ugly, but I was very happy to use one on a part off road tour in Norway last summer (I have a bad back).
With respect to the current bike, I would look for wide, flexible and light tyres such as the 50 mm Schwalbe Kojak (unless you want to ride trails, in which case use light modern mtb tyres or Marathon Extremes for serious off road touring). Use ultralight tubes in them and you will have saved more weight. Don't waste money on a new bike that may be 2-3 kg lighter, at the very best.
On balance, it is much easier and cheaper, however, to reduce the weight of the luggage (and of your own body) than to reduce the weight of a bike. Once you are back in shape, think about a custom bike if you still think you need and deserve something lighter, and when you know what kind of touring you will do (so you can get the bike that is just right). Or get a 650B conversion for road use, and use your slightly lightened existing mtb for the trails.
It is no problem at all to tour with camping luggage that will fit in just two rear panniers (did that, even in Norway). A total camping luggage weight of 15 kg for western European conditions is quite easy, and 12 kg is possible. Below that, you will have to compromise on comfort.
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chassyp - I have read all the posts and nobody has asked what sort of touring you intend to do – you have implied that it is short multi day trips probably covering a reasonable distance.

I have three “touring” bikes which weigh between 12kg and 17kg – The lightest I use for short multi day trips staying at friends or sometimes in B&Bs – the heaviest (my "proper tourer") is used for multi week camping tours.

The bike you have does seem to be a bit on the heavy side for a “light tourer” – but no matter – it has suspension and it has a rack to which you can fit panniers. It is exactly the same type of bike that I have seen used by thousands of people touring in Europe over not inconsiderable distances on the various Rads, Velo's and Via's.

Much as it pains me to agree with Willem it is much easier and effective with a touring bike to cut weight from the load than it is from the bike itself.
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As can be seen - the bike is only a small percentage of what you have to move - If the bike you have is reasonably reliable and your ambitions are towards short lightly loaded tours I would stick with it - maybe a change of tyres and a bit of fettle with the gears to give you an easier ride - but who knows you might end up in the market for buying a "proper tourer" capable of carrying anything anywhere.
 
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chassyp

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Thanks again all for the masses of info. After taking in all the wise words and years of experience people have brought to this question. I guess my problems are down to one thing, and that is my lack of experience!! Previous to taking my first serious venture on the road (3 days.) I had only ever done 10/20 miles without baggage etc. On reflection and looking at the bigger picture, I guess lack of road training was my downfall. I look at your setup PSMIFFY, and my bike looks naked compared to the front, rear, top, and bottom loads you carry! I tried to keep my weight down on the bike, but still struggled.

On my short ride this year I stopped in bunkhouses and carried the bare minimum. I was hoping to do some wild camping touring next year and that will also require more weight as tent etc will be essential. Looks like more training is required before the next trip I guess? Thanks for all the input one and all. I think I have found the answer to my difficulty at last. :hello: :hello:
 

andym

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chas

psmiffy is something of a legend in his ability to ride unfeasibly long distances with unfeasibly heavy loads and still find time to visit the local branch of M. Bricolage.

I'm not familiar with the model of bike you have, but I used to have an entry-level hybrid and the frame, seatpost and adjustable stem were all pretty heavy. So I'm sure there's some scope for losong weight - although I'd be surprised if it was more than a couple of kgs.

As ever with these things it's a question of both rather than either/or. If you weigh 80 kgs your bike weighs 17 and you luggage weighs 18 kgs you could say aim to lose 2 kgs from the bike, and 3 kgs from your luggage (although in your case that might be 3 kgs less than what it might have been. And if you can lose 5kgs of body weight well that's got to be a bonus.
 

willem

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And the easiest way to get fit and stay fit for a cycle tour is to ride on a daily basis. Even if you only commute say 10 miles a day, and do some of your errands on your bike, you will still be far fitter than training hard once a week. Build up that basic fitness, and you will be able to benefit much more from training hard. There will also be much less chance of an injury.
As for camping tours, search this forum, and you will see widely divergent views on how much to take for a comfortable trip: what matters more, the comfort of using the stuff you take, or the comfort of not carrying it? There will also be some clear suggestions on how to travel light if that is what you will choose to do.
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chassyp

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Thanks for the advice re training willem! I go to the gym 2/3 times a week and that includes some cycling. However after reading your input it seems I still need to get my backside in the saddle a lot more! Roll on the thaw!!

Cheers for the great advice and support everyone has taken the time to give.
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