Travelling to Provence

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andym

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slowmotion said:
When I suggested the rail one, I did not know the economics, which look, frankly awful.

Out of curiosity I checked the Eurostar fares to Avignon. Going out on July 10 and coming back on July 24 I got a fare of £156 (see screenshot).

Bear in mind also that if you're flying EasyJet the charges for luggage, the bike, and taxes, add another £72 to the basic ticket cost (£18 + £37.50 +£17.25). Don't know how much it would cost to get from Toulouse airport to your final destination (Avignon?).

So actually, depending of course on the costs of getting to the airport compared to St Pancras, train could well be the cheaper option (although if you live on the doorstep of Gatwick the plane is always going to have a headstart).
 
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rich p

ridiculous old lush
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The total price for the flights return is £110.98 including taxes, bike and baggage.
Eurostar is £260 non-flexible and £396 fully-flexible.

I haven't though researched Andy's idea of Eurostar to Lille and TGV to Avignon.
It looks like you can only book Eurostar to Lille up till June 11th so I can't get a price on that.
There is also the bike bag issue. Leaving it in left luggage last year cost me £80. The year before I took it in a cardboard box and bought a cheap bag (30 Euros) to fly home.
Poste restante would probably cost that anyway.
 

GrahamG

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Bristol
I hate flying with a passion - the most inhumane way of travelling since airport security started bowing to the Americans 'just make it look like it's safe' policy. Book separate tickets for the London-Lille and Lille-Avignon leg - it's doable for less than £100 each. Bikes do need to be bagged but that's probably a worthwhile investment to make for flying/train/bus anyway, Ground Effect Tardis bag folds down to telephone directory size so doesn't add much to on-bike luggage. Just get a couple of old fashioned nylon gingham shopping bags, or a larger bag purpose made for carrying 2 or 4 panniers so it's bike in one hand, panniers in the other and bar bag round your neck.
 
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Andy, I've got that same price coming up now - I'm not sure what I was doing differently yesterday. I think you have to add on £20 each way for the bikes.
 
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Have you looked at www.sncf.co.uk for times & prices?

Not 100% sure but I think you have to pack the bike airline style to take it on a TGV even though you can take a (pre-booked) complete bike on eurostar now.

We're doing ferry to Bilbao then back from St. Malo this year, big attraction is no faffing about with planes or trains at all.
 

GrahamG

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Dave Davenport said:
Have you looked at www.sncf.co.uk for times & prices?

Not 100% sure but I think you have to pack the bike airline style to take it on a TGV even though you can take a (pre-booked) complete bike on eurostar now.

We're doing ferry to Bilbao then back from St. Malo this year, big attraction is no faffing about with planes or trains at all.

You're right about two things there - the bike does have to be properly bagged, and ferry is truly the only way to travel in style without fuss if on two wheels! It was a revelation for me just doing Portsmouth-St Malo.
 
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GrahamG said:
You're right about two things there - the bike does have to be properly bagged, and ferry is truly the only way to travel in style without fuss if on two wheels! It was a revelation for me just doing Portsmouth-St Malo.

It's spot on when you're only 25 miles from the ferry port and you can ride straight from home and back:biggrin:
 
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You can only book 90 days ahead on SNCF unfortunately.
I almost did the back from Bilbao myself but I think we'd be pushed for time and I've got it in my head to visit the Roman bits of Provence this year.
 

campagman

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Location
at home
Using the Bike Express you could catch the Med route coach to provence and then cycle over to catch the Atlantic route coach back a week later.
 

Crankarm

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Nr Cambridge
Rich p - how about taking the slower "express" trains instead of the Eurostar/TGV? Might take a little longer but AFAIK you can take your bikes on the train with you or at least in the baggage area/ mail carriage. On the TGV they have to be boxed up AFAIK or in a bag.

Other alternative is to get the ferry and then see if you can get a lift in a lorry / van going south. There was an organisation set up to link hitchers with vehicles travelling in the same direction. I think it had it's origins in Germany or Holland. Might be worth exploring if it saves you a fortune and the hassle of dismantling your bikes and packaging them up.

Final alternative - buy a pair of Bromptons for you and mrs rich p. No such probs with a Brompton as I found travelling Eurostar to Paris and then TGV to Biarritz to ride the Pyrenees. 5 years ago now but I am sure nothing has changed.
 
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Oh Gawd, it gets too complicated, Crankarm.
I think I've distilled the options down to either Easyjet or Eurostar and TGV.
 

mangaman

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I'm afraid I can't help on the bike front rich, but I went to Avignon from ST Pancras last year and it was superb. I find Eurostar very helpful and especially if the train has some space I imagine they would be far more flexible about letting you take your bike than any plane or TGV. After all the trains are just much bigger and better staffed.

The convenience (especially in Avignon), luxury (it's like being on the Orient Express- they ply you with food and drink the whole way) and overall ambience made it one of my favourite holidays ever.

Once you get to Avignon there's a hotel literally on the station which I found really good. I'm sure they'd provide secure bike storage - they were very helpful generally.

I travelled to the local sites using the local trains which made it even more fun but cycling would be even better. Wherever you are you can see the mighty Ventoux looming up.

Orange and Arles were my favourite towns,although Avignon itself and Nimes are very interesting. Beautiful, historical, laid back, fantastic food and wine. I met a big party of US cyclists touring there, who were having a great time.

Not sure that answers you'r questions at all! I would say that if you can get your bike on and can afford London to Avignon it is a unique experience from entering St Pancras station onwards and for me was one of those "once in a lifetime" things - it was that good.

Incidentally I went very late August (the last week the service ran, and it was virtually empty and I think a bit cheaper)
 

BalkanExpress

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Brussels
mangaman said:
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Orange and Arles were my favourite towns,although Avignon itself and Nimes are very interesting. Beautiful, historical, laid back, fantastic food and wine. I met a big party of US cyclists touring there, who were having a great time.

ARRRGH, it is minus lots here fresh snow fall and too much ice to ride and i now have visions of Arles and the summer sun in my head:ohmy:

Rich, more seriously there is a bloke from Canterbury, can not recall the name at the moment (see journal Calais to Cassis), who has used the train a lot in France and has some useful advice. However you get there have lots of fun this summer:smile:
 
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