TROLL ATTACKS CYCLIST [again] ...

[Riding in Circles]

Has Right to Roam actually made any difference to countryside access apart from appeasing a bunch of resentful pinko ex-teacher red-sock Ramblers?

No, in fact the scourge of the countryside, (ramblers association) have successfully reduced access to countryside for certain groups of people, most notably, the disabled.

 

[User482]

Bunch of roaming map clutching, bobble hatted trolls the lot of them - Especially that minger JSP

They're also the reason that you have access to the countryside. Think on...

 

[bonk man]

An interesting update...

I visited the police station today to make a verbal complaint, the officer after I had left called the land owners concerned and they claim that the right of way never existed.
The basis for the claim is a map of the property [ deeds ] and some planning permission documents. They are writing to me and sending the relevant "proof".

However, my view of the matter is that this claim backed as it might be by legal documents should be over ridden by the councils definitive map plus the lack of action by the land owner to rectify the issue. Until it is proven that the right does not exist.. am I wrong?

Instead they have placed signs and employed a troll [ lock keeper ] on orders to prevent the public gaining access or utilising a right of way.
This has been going on for some time and maybe it needs sorting out one way or the other. We as the public don't have an awful lot to lose by pursuing the case via the rights of way officers and perhaps some form of direct action, at least it will sort the matter for good or ill.

Dave .... see you there at dawn.... with the bolt croppers and cudgels at the ready....

 

[Headgardener]

Bunch of roaming map clutching, bobble hatted trolls the lot of them - Especially that minger JSP

Excuse me I do not possess a bobble hat, my hat is bobbleless. Also I am not a troll I only post sensible posts.

 

[Black Sheep]

I might well take direct action, does anyone know how far I can go to use the bridge, if it is locked can I cut the lock or chain lawfully? I will take a witness or 8 as the Troll is bigger than me and I am slightly goat like

if the bridge is a legal right of way then it is illegally locked.

you may climb over or indeed cut the lock provided you don't damage property.

 

[Ranger]

An interesting update...

I visited the police station today to make a verbal complaint, the officer after I had left called the land owners concerned and they claim that the right of way never existed.
The basis for the claim is a map of the property [ deeds ] and some planning permission documents. They are writing to me and sending the relevant "proof".

However, my view of the matter is that this claim backed as it might be by legal documents should be over ridden by the councils definitive map plus the lack of action by the land owner to rectify the issue. Until it is proven that the right does not exist.. am I wrong?

Instead they have placed signs and employed a troll [ lock keeper ] on orders to prevent the public gaining access or utilising a right of way.
This has been going on for some time and maybe it needs sorting out one way or the other. We as the public don't have an awful lot to lose by pursuing the case via the rights of way officers and perhaps some form of direct action, at least it will sort the matter for good or ill.

Dave .... see you there at dawn.... with the bolt croppers and cudgels at the ready....

This is not really a police matter (most of them know nothing about RoW legislation) this is down to the local rights of way team, I would go and speak to the enforcement officer with your documents and see what he says, especially if they have admitted trying to prevent the use of the route it should be an easy prosecution

The definitive map is just that, a definitive list of the rights of way in an area. If the right of way has been extinguished (unlikely) this would have been advertised and consulted on. A diversion is more likely and that would have needed a proper bridge putting in, not crossing the lock gates

 

[bonk man]

Ranger,,, the claim is that the right of way never existed in the first place and was mistakenly added to the map.... the land owner has been foolish in not rectifying the issue as soon as possible [ some time ago now ] and is trying to change the route by custom.

I have contacted the Rights of Way office, the relevant person is apparently on holiday but back Monday... personally I don't think they want to deal with it head on..

The police were involved as there was intimidation and aggression involved.
Also the person in the office at the council was certain that the route was a right of way and there would be action taken, if it wasn't a right of way then the council would have immediately notified me...

 

[very-near]

They're also the reason that you have access to the countryside. Think on...

Once a highway, always a highway was the rule - until the bobble hatted brigade did the NIMBY thing and claimed every ROW with vehicular rights as their personal footpath.

Live and let live is not something which registers on their radar

 

[Ranger]

Ranger,,, the claim is that the right of way never existed in the first place and was mistakenly added to the map.... the land owner has been foolish in not rectifying the issue as soon as possible [ some time ago now ] and is trying to change the route by custom.

I have contacted the Rights of Way office, the relevant person is apparently on holiday but back Monday... personally I don't think they want to deal with it head on..

The police were involved as there was intimidation and aggression involved.
Also the person in the office at the council was certain that the route was a right of way and there would be action taken, if it wasn't a right of way then the council would have immediately notified me...

Plenty of rights of way did 'wrongly' appear on the definitive map (lots also didn't appear), but the Countryside and Rights of Way (CROW) Act means that no changes are allowed after 2026, so there might be quite a few of these occurances. However, if it is on the definitive map it is a right of way until it is extinguished and the landowner is commiting an offence by preventing people passing and repassing!

Getting a right of way extinguished by custom would be a new one on me. I have seen plenty created, modified or reclassified by custom but proving it has never been used by people in living memory would be a hiding to nothing from the sounds of it.

 

[Mr Creosote]

Yes you read it right a Troll has attacked a cyclist at Eckington Lock [ nr Bredon, Worcestershire on River Avon ] .. on a Sunday club ride..

Last year I was attacked, well shoved over by the lock keeper when I tried to use the swing bridge at the aforesaid location, he was arrested and is no longer the keeper.

The bridge is part of the right of way but the owners don't allow the public to use it instead force folk over the precarious lock gates. The route is on the definitive map and has been confirmed by the council as a right of way.... the owners disagree and have left a Troll guarding the bridge.. plus lots of PRIVATE KEEP OFF signs..

Which lock do you mean? The one north of Rockridge farm or the one at Nafford? I assume that you mean the former since you mention Bredon.

 

[bonk man]

Which lock do you mean? The one north of Rockridge farm or the one at Nafford? I assume that you mean the former since you mention Bredon.

It is the locks and weir complex at Strensham/Eckington. path numbers 515 and 516 according to the map.. go to the definitive map on line and zooming in shows it crosses the bridge.. Even Explorer 190 1:25000 O S map shows it clearly enough. It is fortunate that it appears clearly on this map as more people will try and use it.. a recent local guide book shows otherwise.

Ranger , by getting it extinguished by custom I mean the route over the lock gates will eventually look the correct way as it becomes well used. A few people will object but will be met with the Troll, the attitude of the land owner and the inability of the enforcement officers to deal with it.

If they don't [ last time I let it slip as I had other stuff going on... ] sort it out I will have to look into making a complaint against the council office concerned.

 

[bonk man]

Update on the Troll incident...

The council have told me they are finding out who the actual land owner is [ via land registry ] and will then enforce the right of way. This will mean that the bridge will be primarily for walkers rather than boaters.... we wait with baited breath...

I have been advised to not go there again until it is sorted out but that is not to say Dave5N cannot go Troll baiting on the next day off

 

[sw3008]

Just a thought on this, if you really want to P*ss them off, get a padlock & lock the chain over theirs then put some superglue in the hole.

They'll then have to cut the chain to get the new lock off.

Maybe they'll then get the message.

 

[Black Sheep]

any news from the council?

 

[bonk man]

No news from the council, they are going through land registry to find out who owns it then will take action, they did say it might take a few weeks.....
The woman at the council I spoke to was quite adamant that it was priority and has advised me to avoid the place for a while..... can't go on too long though..