upgrading my carrera tdf

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Big_Dave

The unlikely Cyclist
@SteCenturion the newer TDF like this guy has is a 7 speed freewheel and not a cassette like the earlier 8 speed model which would make his upgrade more costly to go to cassettes, personally speaking and as you say he would be far better off buying a new bike.
 

Torvi

mr poopmechanic
Location
Wellingborough
And i again will say, take a new saddle, there is a lot of good opinions about Selle SMP TRK and SMP Extra, the only difference between them is a size i believe, SMP Extra is smaller but surprisingly weight is the same as in TRK and TRK is bit cheaper, so there is a choice Bigger and cheaper against smaller and more expensive, they both weight the same tough so it's just matter of preference both of them got their praises for comfort :smile: Don't rush into new bike too fast, work yourself out, get better stamina and better overall and then switch for something more advanced like carbon 9speeds/10speeds about bikes branding i wont tell you anything because in my opinion most of "brand" bikes are damn overpriced, why would every one of you ask?

Ive got my carrera for 244 quids and ive seen exactly the same SCOTT, same alloy frame, same gearset and everything, same weight for 400... well the rest is obvious aint it? spend your money wise :smile:
 

Big_Dave

The unlikely Cyclist
Whether or not the guy needs a upgrade or new bike mainly depends on what he wants from the bike, It maybe cheaper to partly upgrade, but as for full on upgrade a new bike is going to be more cost effective. You can dress the 2014 TDF up all you like but it is a budget bike well below entry level, it has the rock bottom of the range tourney gear, made for the masses to ride a season on then forgot about, yes it's a great beginners bike ride it a year then bin it, but that's all it ever will be without a considerable amount of cash, believe me I have put a fair few quid into my TDF, mine is 105 spec 3x10 and stands me around £550-£600 area, I built it because I could and knew it would be the ultimate TDF, I bought the bits as and when I could afford them, A giant defy 1 is around 8.3kg and just under a grand, chances are you would never get a TDF to that spec and weight, my tdf is 2.5kg heavier, at my bikes current level of spec 2.5kg weight loss would cost a shed load of cash. In hindsight, would I upgrade a budget bike again, definitely not. I'd go mid range and upgrade if funds ever allowed me such a bike
 
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glenjarvis

glenjarvis

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Hi @glenjarvis & firstly :welcome: to Cycle Chat from The Peoples Republic of Mancunia.

Some good points are raised here, not all I am in agreement with though.

Firstly, every post (including mine) will be personal opinion & eventually you will take from it the best parts that suit you at this time.

The Carrera TdF is a fine bike for it's price but was made to hit a price point as an entry level bike & to sell lots of units to newbies (we were all newbies once).

I agree with upgrading bikes generally, but in the middle to high end price bracket.

You might need to spend £200 on wheels, £80 > £100 on a Chainset/Crankset £25 > £30 on a derailleur & £15 on a cassette, as changing one part can sometimes necessitate changing another (long cage derailleur for a wider cassette) for example.

All of the above might save 250 > 300 grammes & give you a wider range of gears & a little better acceleration (wheels) also making climbing easier.

If your current TdF has a compact 50/34 chainset you will save a little outlay there. The numbers might be printed on the outside of each ring or on the spider of your front rings, if not you can simply count them.

I believe that you have 2 options.

1. Keep your TdF for another year, (change the saddle if you like) but nothing else, I don't think you would see much return on your £££ when you sell, (& you will sell).

2. Sell the TdF & get the best price you can for it, then buy the best bike you can manage to afford.

This doesn't mean a £1000 carbon racer.

A 2014 Giant Defy 3 (9 speed Shimano Sora) can be had for £449 from www.rutlandcycling.com or www.pedalon.co.uk
A Felt F 95 for £395 (9 speed Shimano Sora) or F 75 (10 speed Shimano 105) for £599 from www.merlincycles.com

All of the above will be significantly lighter than your TdF, have lighter higher quality frames, lighter carbon forks, lighter higher end gears/groupsets, better range of gearing & out perform your TdF. (you might not even need to change the saddle).

I think you will notice the difference.

If you could manage to get £200 for your TdF you would need another £200 > £250 to get one of the above.

or you could spend £250 "improving" your TdF, (how much of that would you get back come sale time) ?

Best of Luck with your decisions/decisions (tough job this cycling lark) :thumbsup:

Hi @glenjarvis & firstly :welcome: to Cycle Chat from The Peoples Republic of Mancunia.

Some good points are raised here, not all I am in agreement with though.

Firstly, every post (including mine) will be personal opinion & eventually you will take from it the best parts that suit you at this time.

The Carrera TdF is a fine bike for it's price but was made to hit a price point as an entry level bike & to sell lots of units to newbies (we were all newbies once).

I agree with upgrading bikes generally, but in the middle to high end price bracket.

You might need to spend £200 on wheels, £80 > £100 on a Chainset/Crankset £25 > £30 on a derailleur & £15 on a cassette, as changing one part can sometimes necessitate changing another (long cage derailleur for a wider cassette) for example.

All of the above might save 250 > 300 grammes & give you a wider range of gears & a little better acceleration (wheels) also making climbing easier.

If your current TdF has a compact 50/34 chainset you will save a little outlay there. The numbers might be printed on the outside of each ring or on the spider of your front rings, if not you can simply count them.

I believe that you have 2 options.

1. Keep your TdF for another year, (change the saddle if you like) but nothing else, I don't think you would see much return on your £££ when you sell, (& you will sell).

2. Sell the TdF & get the best price you can for it, then buy the best bike you can manage to afford.

This doesn't mean a £1000 carbon racer.

A 2014 Giant Defy 3 (9 speed Shimano Sora) can be had for £449 from www.rutlandcycling.com or www.pedalon.co.uk
A Felt F 95 for £395 (9 speed Shimano Sora) or F 75 (10 speed Shimano 105) for £599 from www.merlincycles.com

All of the above will be significantly lighter than your TdF, have lighter higher quality frames, lighter carbon forks, lighter higher end gears/groupsets, better range of gearing & out perform your TdF. (you might not even need to change the saddle).

I think you will notice the difference.

If you could manage to get £200 for your TdF you would need another £200 > £250 to get one of the above.

or you could spend £250 "improving" your TdF, (how much of that would you get back come sale time) ?

Best of Luck with your decisions/decisions (tough job this cycling lark) :thumbsup:
 
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glenjarvis

glenjarvis

Regular

thanks for the input I ll say again wish I knew about you folks before I bought the tdf
my current chainset is 50/38
the most common thread is get a new saddle and to be honest that is my biggest downer of riding the bike
I ve said before I ve been measured the current saddle is to small ,my set up is okay I ve good well reviewed shorts
but butt still sore riding .One person said I shouldn t notice im on a saddle if it fits right!
I ve had a few recommendations but which one ? that's my dilemma cant buy 2-3 and pick best one
again ta very much for the help
 
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glenjarvis

glenjarvis

Regular
Whether or not the guy needs a upgrade or new bike mainly depends on what he wants from the bike, It maybe cheaper to partly upgrade, but as for full on upgrade a new bike is going to be more cost effective. You can dress the 2014 TDF up all you like but it is a budget bike well below entry level, it has the rock bottom of the range tourney gear, made for the masses to ride a season on then forgot about, yes it's a great beginners bike ride it a year then bin it, but that's all it ever will be without a considerable amount of cash, believe me I have put a fair few quid into my TDF, mine is 105 spec 3x10 and stands me around £550-£600 area, I built it because I could and knew it would be the ultimate TDF, I bought the bits as and when I could afford them, A giant defy 1 is around 8.3kg and just under a grand, chances are you would never get a TDF to that spec and weight, my tdf is 2.5kg heavier, at my bikes current level of spec 2.5kg weight loss would cost a shed load of cash. In hindsight, would I upgrade a budget bike again, definitely not. I'd go mid range and upgrade if funds ever allowed me such a bike
Thanks Big Dave im going down the saddle route for now if I can choose one from the recommendations given!
I paid 240 for the bike if I get new wheels tyres chainset ,saddle, etc im rubbish at fixing anything so would pay lbs to do it prob looking at another 240 quid
that's not to say im not very grateful for everyones input
cheers
now what saddle!!!
 

GrumpyGregry

Here for rides.
Not helpful or even relevant but I thought I'd give it an outing.
 
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glenjarvis

glenjarvis

Regular
Hi all
bought the selle smp trk yesterday ordered it at crs ive decided to get a comfortable saddle before I doanything else with regards to the Carrera
will try it for few months and try something else you guys
recommended if I don't get on with it
I have several more probably dumb questions to ask
I took the toe clips off the Carrera before I killed myself(at junctions kept forgetting my foot was in them always put my right foot down when I stop)even when I buy new bike not sure I want clip on s either but may give them try.
At the moment I always use my 20quid sports direct flimsy trainers im out usually for 1-3 hours on bike so im guessing its far from ideal
id like some cycling shoes can you wear them on platform pedals or is there specific types I need to look for
thanks
Glen
 

Torvi

mr poopmechanic
Location
Wellingborough
well there i will come again with help ;) Im at this moment wearing a pair of Shimano Mt34 SPD shoes they are great for its price
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-mt34-spd-touring-cycle-shoes/ ordered myself size 8 same like i would do with normal shoes i find them "just in" tough half size up would be nicer i suppose so consider ordering size up :smile:

they got place for 2 point cleats so make sure you got right pedals for example they wont fit to pedals which are SPD SL but they will to standard SPD for example to these:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-a530-spd-single-sided-touring-pedals/ again i use them and cant fault them tough ive already had some crashes it takes time to get used to them :smile:

Over all there are two types of cleats best if you read here:
http://www.spdshoes.org/spd-cleats/
 

SteCenturion

I am your Father
You might want to try MTB style shoes if using flats, every cycle store should have a range of them.

or

You might want to practice your clipping in/out with SPD/SPD-SL shoes & pedals.

You can practice at home in the house, kitchen/bedroom/garage, wherever really.
Just lean up against a wall & spin your pedals (backwards) then make out that you are about to stop, unclip, clip back in etc.

I say this because the benefit to your feet is immense. Much more stable, much better fit - for cycling & longer hours in saddle over trainers, less prone to injury (possibly).
 
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glenjarvis

glenjarvis

Regular
You might want to try MTB style shoes if using flats, every cycle store should have a range of them.

or

You might want to practice your clipping in/out with SPD/SPD-SL shoes & pedals.

You can practice at home in the house, kitchen/bedroom/garage, wherever really.
Just lean up against a wall & spin your pedals (backwards) then make out that you are about to stop, unclip, clip back in etc.

I say this because the benefit to your feet is immense. Much more stable, much better fit - for cycling & longer hours in saddle over trainers, less prone to injury (possibly).
thanks for info when I change bikes(prob next year ) I ll prob ably give clips a go im pretty accident prone though
for now just want to give bike shoes a try see how they feel will look at mtb ones
cheers
 
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