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glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
First came his driving which I reacted to in a friendly manner, then came a question about lane position but he wasn't interested in an honest answer.
To top it off he then collectively pronounces car and van drivers as considerate road users while about to give me an earful.

You have more patience than I because by this stage mine is spent. So I'm having a go.

I used to shout at drivers too, however when I'd go over it again some hours later I realised it achieved nothing. I'll speak to drivers now if I think they'll listen and I've had more agreeable results that way than from swearing. If the driver remains abusive I just move away.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time on this, just asking you the questions I used to ask myself after a confrontation.

GC
 
OP
OP
veloevol

veloevol

Evo Lucas
Location
London
I'm not trying to give you a hard time on this, just asking you the questions I used to ask myself after a confrontation.

That's fine. I admit to speaking my mind (or shouting in this case) and I have been accused of being bullish in the past.
 

jarlrmai

Veteran
The cyclist has been there many times before, i'd rather get sworn at than passive aggressively lectured by a moron with no intention of actually learning anything.
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
I love the way the van driver parks right in the ASL, he doesnt have a clue about bike craft, and doesnt seem interested in an answer.
Also, the cyclist has blurred his face in the window reflection, why?
 

thefollen

Veteran
Personally I'd consider it a non-incident. Perhaps I'm desensitised and/or missed an earlier exchange/horn beep from the van chap. As much as the dream is for everybody to perfectly follow the highway code, with everyone on top of each other and London's competitive nature, the etiquette/legal rules tend to be bent a little, for all road users. Not suggesting it's right, but it happens.

I say (only my opinion) just stay calm, be patient and courteous. It's amazing the small things I see some people fly off the handle over. If commuting in London, every day you'll get 'numpties'-- often best to anticipate them and take the safest course of action. Ok the van driver in this instance is a little ignorant/uneducated in the way to share the road with cyclists, but they'll never improve or consider their driving if made more angry. It's likely they'll end up shouting at the next cyclist they encounter, perhaps with more severe consequences.

If they've reeeally done something worthy of a talking to- best to be calm and measured whilst you explain what they've done to compromise your safety and why you're speaking to them. It might be they get shouty and/or dismissive, believing you're completely in the wrong- still, they're more likely to listen to you if you don't rise to that level and become flustered. Suppress that adrenaline ;-)
 

Rancid

Active Member
Location
Saff Landin
if its a one way road and there is a ASL at the end which you can only enter from the left.
then the correct position would be to the left of the road, moving across to the right when safe if the lights are green or going into the ASL via the broken line on the left if the lights are red and moving across to the right hand side.

cyclist is a twat.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
if its a one way road and there is a ASL at the end which you can only enter from the left.
then the correct position would be to the left of the road, moving across to the right when safe if the lights are green or going into the ASL via the broken line on the left if the lights are red and moving across to the right hand side.

cyclist is a twat.

Just curious, but do you ride a bike yourself?
 

glasgowcyclist

Charming but somewhat feckless
Location
Scotland
if its a one way road and there is a ASL at the end which you can only enter from the left.
then the correct position would be to the left of the road, moving across to the right when safe if the lights are green or going into the ASL via the broken line on the left if the lights are red and moving across to the right hand side.

No.

If the lights are green, the correct position is the one the OP took, given that he was turning right.
Even if the lights were red, I'd take the same line. Who the feck wants to be trying to move from the far left to the far right across the face of motor vehicles just as the lights go to green? That's bonkers.

cyclist is a twat.

No he isn't.

GC
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Yes every working day, rain wind or shine for last 3 years without fail, even during the snow which was a bit hairy.
Is it relevant ?


it's just that your suggested road positioning, and I don't think I' misrepresenting you, was to keep left, despite wanting to turn right. As others have explained, this is utterly counter to what virtually all regular cyclists on here have learnt / would advise. I thought you were either joking / being sarcastic, or simply a non (road) cyclist putting his 2-penworth in.

If you are serious, then I really would rethink what you are saying. Not being funny - really I would
 
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