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bonj2

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Arch said:
I think any animal, including cats (and humans) is capable of simply gorging themselves and being lazy - especially domesticates whose instincts have been dulled somewhat, and who have food on tap. Indeed, the one instinct remaining in some is probably to eat whatever is offered, in case there is famine tomorrow. In any population, there will those who are active and fit, and those who are lazy - it's just that in the wild the lazy ones would die.

We have a skeleton in our reference collection from a cat that died of vitamin A poisoning. Its owner, a little old lady, found that it liked liver, so indulged it with liver every day. The cat must have lapped it up, despite the fact that it was been slowly killed. Excess vitamin A over a long period leads to excessive bone formation around joints, fusing them, and eventually the whole cat just seized up. Now, it can't have known why it was getting stiff, although I think many animals do have an innate ability to self medicate if they can, but it happily ate a completely unnatural diet, rather than ever turn up it's nose at the liver....

Then that is a cat that doesn't know what's good for it. And not to say that it's good that it's died, and neither to suggest that there's any conscious way of knowing what's good for it, but if there is a subconscious way of a cat or any other animal for that matter, knowing innately what's good for it, self medication as you call it - then those animals will evolve forward and the actual genes of the cat that doesn't know how to self medicate will die out.
 

Globalti

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That post contains so many sub-clauses and odd grammar that I actually don't understand it. Can you write it again in plain English?

That greyhound looks as if it's so fuelled up on testosterone that it's about to attack the photgrapher for daring to look at its bowl of Chum.
 
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bonj2

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That photo of a massive muscled dog is one of those pictures that conveys no concept of scale. There needs to be a normal sized man in the picture as well, to compare how big the dog actually is against it. I think he may well come up to about the dog's knees.
 

Globalti

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Come on now Bonj old fella; you're writing gobbledegook and now you think a dog can be taller than a man?

Do you think you ought to take the rest of the day off and go home for a sleep?
 
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bonj2

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Rigid Raider said:
Come on now Bonj old fella; you're writing gobbledegook and now you think a dog can be taller than a man?

Do you think you ought to take the rest of the day off and go home for a sleep?

i don't think it is, it's just from the photo it LOOKS like it should be :biggrin:
 
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bonj2

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Wigsie said:
If you link to the article Bonj you can see it next to a regular whippet.

oh, this pic you mean

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Wigsie

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bonj said:
oh, this pic you mean

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Arch

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bonj said:
Then that is a cat that doesn't know what's good for it. And not to say that it's good that it's died, and neither to suggest that there's any conscious way of knowing what's good for it, but if there is a subconscious way of a cat or any other animal for that matter, knowing innately what's good for it, self medication as you call it - then those animals will evolve forward and the actual genes of the cat that doesn't know how to self medicate will die out.

I think most animals, and even sometimes we humans, know what we are lacking. I've often wondered if pregnancy cravings are down to a subconscious need for certain minerals. I know sometimes I suddenly feel that I really must have some salad, or a bit of fruit, without really knowing why - I don't mean I actually think "hmm, I've not had enough veg this week", I just feel I need it.

But domestication (which is after all, what we've done to ourselves, as well as to animals) just damps down some natural instincts. I've heard of wild animals (elephants, I think, and monkeys) eating mineral rich river clay for example, because it contains kaolin, which settles stomachs upset by too much fruit.
 
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