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threebikesmcginty
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I like that one of theirs 'Where Have all the Good Times Gone'
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnB3CHwPipU
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnB3CHwPipU
Flying_Monkey
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- Odawa
Foghat said:
I beg to differ. This was from their really rather bad stadium rocker period. The albums they produced from Face to Face to Notting Hillbillies were things of beauty. Not interesting? Surely you are kidding...
Fab Foodie
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- Kirton, Devon.
Waterloo Sunset ticks all my boxes too, it has a certain melancholy something about it.
Enjoyable film too IIRC.
Enjoyable film too IIRC.
Fnaar
Smutmaster General
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- Thumberland
Great song, but for me one of those that no matter how good the cover, I can only ever accept the original as the proper one. I love a lot of early Kinks stuff, but they did some terrible stuff later on... just like the Who 
Foghat
Freight-train-groove-rider
FM, you do exhibit an oddly prejudiced approach to musical appreciation sometimes. For someone who so vigorously champions open-mindedness and a catholic attitude to life, this is all the more strange - one minute you're searching for racist motives in other posters' musical dislikes, as a particular hobby horse, the next you're starting threads or posting about how crap or awful this-or-that artist is, or contributing posts that incorrectly conflate your personal tastes with inherent musical quality or interest.
With this in mind, may I ask what exactly you are basing your assessment of this Kinks album on? And how do you conclude that I deem The Kinks' studio albums 'not interesting'? - obviously they are, and the period you mention especially so (although I think you mean Muswell rather than Notting). I merely stated, for those who may be interested, that this live album is a little-known gem that I find more interesting than much of the studio output - live albums often are for those seeking more than the clinical studio-based productions from their listening experiences, and there aren't that many live Kinks records available to judge the performance aspect of their ability. Dismissing an entire period of the band, because sometimes they played in stadiums, is a bit silly. And do you even know what type of venue most of The Road was recorded in? Guess what - it's not a stadium.
With this in mind, may I ask what exactly you are basing your assessment of this Kinks album on? And how do you conclude that I deem The Kinks' studio albums 'not interesting'? - obviously they are, and the period you mention especially so (although I think you mean Muswell rather than Notting). I merely stated, for those who may be interested, that this live album is a little-known gem that I find more interesting than much of the studio output - live albums often are for those seeking more than the clinical studio-based productions from their listening experiences, and there aren't that many live Kinks records available to judge the performance aspect of their ability. Dismissing an entire period of the band, because sometimes they played in stadiums, is a bit silly. And do you even know what type of venue most of The Road was recorded in? Guess what - it's not a stadium.
Fab Foodie
hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
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- Kirton, Devon.
I'm a big fan of the 1979 album 'Low Budget' if that matters to the cognicenti...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Budget_(album)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Budget_(album)
Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
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- Odawa
Foghat said:
ha ha ha - that's great! Did I really type that? Brilliant... I shall go listen to said album immediately. I also have The Road too, in fact I have most of the stuff The Kinks have recorded, and Ray Davies solo stuff, with the exception of some of the not so great late 1970s albums. But don't let that spoil your theory...
As for the rest of the rant, I very much enjoyed it and it's good to see you haven't become any less, erm... interesting, since you've been away.
BTW, since when did 'I beg to differ' become a sign of prejudice? I just disagreed with your assessment of my favourite band's output. And in a polite way. And the assessment on :allmusic: is "a tepid document of their workmanlike arena rock shows from 1987." Maybe you should go shout at them too.
GaryA
Subversive Sage
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- High Shields
Ahh this thread reminds me of friday at work when I hit 'all day and all of the night' on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWNwHof0kc
Incredible number; bloody hell I was transported instantly back to the intensity and raging hormones of youth and the unstoppable feeling that life and destiny can be so much more than, well, this pedestrian existance we all lead..it screams and shouts life almost beyond analysis
apologies for the philosophising in cafe'
Its also a forunner of punk
Edit; in the same workshy session I also rediscovered this from my tormented youth;
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frkbSLTwmQo
Which has a passing resemblence....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWNwHof0kc
Incredible number; bloody hell I was transported instantly back to the intensity and raging hormones of youth and the unstoppable feeling that life and destiny can be so much more than, well, this pedestrian existance we all lead..it screams and shouts life almost beyond analysis
apologies for the philosophising in cafe'
Its also a forunner of punk
Edit; in the same workshy session I also rediscovered this from my tormented youth;
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frkbSLTwmQo
Which has a passing resemblence....
Foghat
Freight-train-groove-rider
Glad you enjoyed it, FM. 
Not sure that cursory reviews on allmusic are worth paying a great deal of attention to, though. Rolling Stone has a longer, more considered one....."less predictable and more textured than the tiresome arena-rock performances of the early-Eighties Kinks.......some of the songs are undeniable winners.......unjustly overlooked......crackling live versions.......Davies clearly still has much to offer and judging by this album so may the Kinks........"
But anyway, comparing opposing reviews is rather fruitless, as I learned a long, long time ago that other people's opinions, even informed individuals', are next to useless in determining how enjoyable a piece of music actually is (and certainly no better than a general guide that usually misses the best bits). It's all far too subjective - I've seen a review of Johnny Winter's classic and mesmerising Captured Live album, and reviews of Hendrix's outstanding Isle of Wight performance, describing them as 'dull'! Bach/Mozart/Purcell/Handel/etc/etc leave thousands cold, and a tiny minority of Deadheads don't rate 8 May 1977. Jeepers!
What I was curious about was whether your opinion was formed from listening to it (as it was never widely available), or an assumption that because it happened to be in the Eighties that the band was still in its earlier arena-rock phase, which I am not sure it was (allmusic contradicts itself on this) - hence the question. We've established that you have the album, so your opinion is no less or more valid than mine. allmusic backs yours, Rolling Stone partly backs mine, not that this really counts for anything.
However, there is an FM tendency to use school-playground tactics in producing entirely negative and non-objective assessments of musical artists for fun (e.g. Rush, Genesis, which I should add I am no particular fan of), and to thought-police some other people's dislikes. And your reply to my post got me wondering why that is - you could have simply ignored it and let people make up their own minds.
Anyway, this thread reminds me that my favourite thing Kinks is the the way Ray Davies sings "He's got plastic flowers growin' up the wall". Not 'arf!
Not sure that cursory reviews on allmusic are worth paying a great deal of attention to, though. Rolling Stone has a longer, more considered one....."less predictable and more textured than the tiresome arena-rock performances of the early-Eighties Kinks.......some of the songs are undeniable winners.......unjustly overlooked......crackling live versions.......Davies clearly still has much to offer and judging by this album so may the Kinks........"But anyway, comparing opposing reviews is rather fruitless, as I learned a long, long time ago that other people's opinions, even informed individuals', are next to useless in determining how enjoyable a piece of music actually is (and certainly no better than a general guide that usually misses the best bits). It's all far too subjective - I've seen a review of Johnny Winter's classic and mesmerising Captured Live album, and reviews of Hendrix's outstanding Isle of Wight performance, describing them as 'dull'! Bach/Mozart/Purcell/Handel/etc/etc leave thousands cold, and a tiny minority of Deadheads don't rate 8 May 1977. Jeepers!
What I was curious about was whether your opinion was formed from listening to it (as it was never widely available), or an assumption that because it happened to be in the Eighties that the band was still in its earlier arena-rock phase, which I am not sure it was (allmusic contradicts itself on this) - hence the question. We've established that you have the album, so your opinion is no less or more valid than mine. allmusic backs yours, Rolling Stone partly backs mine, not that this really counts for anything.
However, there is an FM tendency to use school-playground tactics in producing entirely negative and non-objective assessments of musical artists for fun (e.g. Rush, Genesis, which I should add I am no particular fan of), and to thought-police some other people's dislikes. And your reply to my post got me wondering why that is - you could have simply ignored it and let people make up their own minds.
Anyway, this thread reminds me that my favourite thing Kinks is the the way Ray Davies sings "He's got plastic flowers growin' up the wall". Not 'arf!
Fab Foodie
hanging-on in quiet desperation ...
- Location
- Kirton, Devon.
See all the people
With hatred in their eyes
I can't help thinking that
It's only a disguise
Cause underneath that core
There's got to be more
Than what we realize
Maybe they're scared
To let the inside out
Maybe they're afraid to
Show what they're all about
So they put on a heavy front and hope that no one else
Can work them out
So they put on all the heaviness
But its only an illusion heaviness
Can't you see
They're scared to
Show a little bit of emotion
A little bit of real emotion
In case a little bit of emotion
Gives them away
Look at that lady dancing around with no clothes
She'll give you all her body
That's if you've got the dough
She'll let you see most
Anything but there's one thing
That she'll never show
And that's a little bit of real emotion
A little bit of true emotion
In case a little bit of emotion
Gives her away
But it's a shame she's acting that way
Somehow she's gotta get through every day
And the only way
Is not to show one little bit of emotion
A little bit of true emotion
In case a little bit of emotion gives her away
People learn their lines
And they act out their part
Then they talk on cue
But it's got no heart
It's all on the surface
And it's all contrived
They're scared to come out
Somehow they've got to survive
Look at that looney
With a smile on his face
He knows no shame
And feels no disgrace
He's got a look in his eyes
That makes it seem that he's from outer space
Maybe that looney knows what it's all about
He's got something to say
But he can't spit it out
He's unco-ordinated so we shut him out
In case he shows a little bit of emotion
A little bit of real emotion
We're afraid to see a bit of emotion
So we walk away
Show a little bit of real emotion
Show a little bit of emotion
We're afraid to see a bit of emotion
So we walk away
Poetry.
With hatred in their eyes
I can't help thinking that
It's only a disguise
Cause underneath that core
There's got to be more
Than what we realize
Maybe they're scared
To let the inside out
Maybe they're afraid to
Show what they're all about
So they put on a heavy front and hope that no one else
Can work them out
So they put on all the heaviness
But its only an illusion heaviness
Can't you see
They're scared to
Show a little bit of emotion
A little bit of real emotion
In case a little bit of emotion
Gives them away
Look at that lady dancing around with no clothes
She'll give you all her body
That's if you've got the dough
She'll let you see most
Anything but there's one thing
That she'll never show
And that's a little bit of real emotion
A little bit of true emotion
In case a little bit of emotion
Gives her away
But it's a shame she's acting that way
Somehow she's gotta get through every day
And the only way
Is not to show one little bit of emotion
A little bit of true emotion
In case a little bit of emotion gives her away
People learn their lines
And they act out their part
Then they talk on cue
But it's got no heart
It's all on the surface
And it's all contrived
They're scared to come out
Somehow they've got to survive
Look at that looney
With a smile on his face
He knows no shame
And feels no disgrace
He's got a look in his eyes
That makes it seem that he's from outer space
Maybe that looney knows what it's all about
He's got something to say
But he can't spit it out
He's unco-ordinated so we shut him out
In case he shows a little bit of emotion
A little bit of real emotion
We're afraid to see a bit of emotion
So we walk away
Show a little bit of real emotion
Show a little bit of emotion
We're afraid to see a bit of emotion
So we walk away
Poetry.
Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
- Location
- Odawa
Foghat said:Anyway, this thread reminds me that my favourite thing Kinks is the the way Ray Davies sings "He's got plastic flowers growin' up the wall". Not 'arf!
Sorry to seem judgemental - I have rather more important things to think about right now, since my wife and I will go in to the hospital on Wednesday for her to be induced as she's way overdue. So I may be slightly tense right now...
Anyway, good to see you around again, and have a great Christmas. It's likely I won't be around here much for a while, but I'll tell everyone when it's all done and dusted at least.
