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steve50

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has become the first place in the country to target motorists who don't leave enough room for cyclists. Today officers carried out stings on motorists in Birmingham who broke the law while overtaking an undercover police officer on a bike.



View: https://www.facebook.com/ITVCentral/videos/10154485779939035/?pnref=story


Read the comments from David Newton, the man has got all the bases covered, very clever bloke i thought.
 
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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
Read the comments from Neil Hartland, the man has got all the bases covered, very clever bloke i thought.
Huh? The "Neil Hartland" I could see seemed like a typical Mister Toad motorist.

Comments in the video are a bit depressing. There's more "you can't always give them that much space" than "you should hang back until you can" and this was on camera so probably those people think that's socially acceptable :sad:
 
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steve50

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Huh? The "Neil Hartland" I could see seemed like a typical Mister Toad motorist.

Comments in the video are a bit depressing. There's more "you can't always give them that much space" than "you should hang back until you can" and this was on camera so probably those people think that's socially acceptable :sad:

My bad I posted wrong name ,should be David Newton, now amended.
 
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RoubaixCube

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"the points are a bit harsh...."

Well shoot, I guess you'd better learn your lesson the first time then before you lose your license completely & money from fines that will be handed out.

Once drivers know there are repercussions to driving like a twat rather then just a slap on a wrist and warning then maybe. Just maybe the road will be a safer place for everyone that uses it.

This 'campaign' or whatever it is needs to be rolled out across the UK to educate the folks who drive a car on a regular basis.
 
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steve50

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This chap has got the answers, anyone we know?

David Newton Are you about to comment on this post suggesting cyclists shouldn't be allowed on the road? If so, read this handy hints guide first. It’ll save you tiring your fingers frantically bashing the keyboard in some kind of fact-devoid, blind rage.

1. If your argument is centred around car drivers having a license and cyclists not, realise that the vast majority of cyclists are also car drivers. Being a cyclist does not suddenly preclude you from owning or driving a car. Ergo, most cyclists also have a license to be on the road.

2. If you argument is about car drivers paying road tax to allow them to use the road, realise that “road tax” does not exist. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty (VED). This is based on engine power and emissions. Cyclists have neither engine power nor emissions, so even if they were to be taxed, it would be in the lowest rate tax band. Yes, £0. And since it would cost money to administer this, that cost would be added to your tax bill. That’s right, the road upkeep is paid for by your council tax. And cyclists, since they too live in houses, also pay council tax.
At this juncture you may also wish to circle back to point 1 - most cyclists are also car drivers, so even if you don’t believe that VED is for emissions, then you still have to accept that cyclists who own cars also pay VED, or “road tax” as you seem to be intent on calling it.

3. If you wish to argue that cyclists should be insured because “who’s going to pay when they bump into my car and cause damage?” then you should know that being a member of British Cycling (£35/year) brings with it up to £10million of third party liability insurance. Additionally, since we’ve already established that cyclists live in houses (apartments, flats etc) they most likely have home contents insurance too. If they do, there is a chance that it includes some cycle cover that may extend to third party liability. If a cyclist bashes in to your car, that would be a good start point. If they have a valuable bike, then they probably have specialist insurance too and that very likely includes third-party liability.

4. If you think it’s wrong for cyclists to ride two abreast, please reacquaint yourself with the highway code. Specifically rule 66 (handily copied here: “never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends”) so two abreast is acceptable on normal roads. Rule 67 is also a good one “look well ahead for obstructions in the road, such as drains, pot-holes and parked vehicles so that you do not have to swerve suddenly to avoid them. Leave plenty of room when passing parked vehicles and watch out for doors being opened or pedestrians stepping into your path.” This is additionally pointed out in the official TFL advice to cyclists “Stay central on narrow roads. Try to ride away from the gutter. If the road is too narrow for vehicles to pass you safely, it might be safer to ride towards the middle of the lane to prevent dangerous overtaking by other vehicles”.

5. If your argument is about cyclists riding badly - well, yes you’re right, some do. They give the rest of us a bad name. Just like not all drivers are bad, just some of them. Unfortunately, a bad cyclist might slightly damage a car or get themselves killed. A bad car driver will kill other people, specifically vulnerable road users, like cyclists. The crux of this is simple - drivers, motorcyclists and cyclists all have a right to use the road safely. Those that do not adhere to the rules and those that drive or ride unsafely should be brought to task.
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steve50

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I love this somewhat sarcastic comment under that article,

Labrador of Perception
September 21, 2016 13:19
That'll be the same Shropshire that's full of tractors, horse riders and people who drive on the M54 at 40 mph then.

I think we have reached "Peak Snowflake". It must be such a stress for the mewing little pucklings getting to B&Q 45 seconds later than planned.


Read more at http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/...-on-busy-shropshire-road/#D1QedJFLtmVUzgZ8.99
 

Spinney

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Huh? The "Neil Hartland" I could see seemed like a typical Mister Toad motorist.

Comments in the video are a bit depressing. There's more "you can't always give them that much space" than "you should hang back until you can" and this was on camera so probably those people think that's socially acceptable :sad:

This statement is correct, although I suspect not in the sense that the person saying it meant.

On narrow roads there often isn't enough space for cyclist + car/van + the recommended amount of space. People either then hang back until there is, or pass very slowly. Ditto if they are coming in the opposite direction.

Overtaking slowly isn't ideal, but it is manageable. Passing from the opposite direction slowly (as opposed to pulling right over and stopping) is not ideal either, but seems better as you can see what they are doing when they approach.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
On narrow roads there often isn't enough space for cyclist + car/van + the recommended amount of space. People either then hang back until there is, or pass very slowly. Ditto if they are coming in the opposite direction.

Overtaking slowly isn't ideal, but it is manageable unacceptable, incompetent and illegal.
Fixed that for you. If there isn't space to overtake, don't overtake. If you're coming in an opposite direction, wait in a passing place. If that's unacceptable, why the heck is anyone driving along narrow roads for more than minimal distance? Even in bloody Norfolk, a county that motorways forgot, there's wide-enough-to-overtake A/B roads within 5 miles of everywhere. A few more gates (ideally with cycle-size gaps on one side) would stop this sort of frivolous abuse of country lanes.
 

Roxy641

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Croydon
Huh? The "Neil Hartland" I could see seemed like a typical Mister Toad motorist.

Comments in the video are a bit depressing. There's more "you can't always give them that much space" than "you should hang back until you can" and this was on camera so probably those people think that's socially acceptable :sad:

Yes, that was interesting. I wonder how they would feel if a huge lorry overtaking them and not giving the car much room?
Lorry driver: "Well, you can't always give them [car drivers] much space"
 
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