What can one shoot?

[Hover Fly]

Similar thing here. I shot a sparrow with an air gun. I felt bloody awful.

... Just cycles and keeps bees. He tends to pull his shorts up a tad too far..

Could be me.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Yes back to the original point




After all the arguments my mind remains unchanged. Magpies are an indigenous species and they should be allowed to continue with the life style that they have followed for millennia. It is sad that the song birds that I spend a small fortune feeding, are preyed upon by the Magpies, but that is bird life. We should not partake in species-ism and kill the Magpies. We should allow nature to run its course, the clever and astute Magpie will do well, but he will be no match for the Thrush or Blackbird who knows how to hide her nest.

A few years back I recall chatting to a woman who was distraught that the Magpies had taken all the young / eggs of the birds nesting in her garden. I asked her how she knew, she said she visited each nest everyday and one by one had noticed the decimation by the local Magpies. Very sad but this woman probably exposed all the nests by visiting them every day, she probably made the Magpies life easy.

Thank you.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Last night a mouse scuttled along the factory floor,it was a beautiful thing. It sat under a box washing its face, it had just come out of the works toilets, i dont blame it ,it like a pig sty in there some of the people are filthy beings.
The last few years every so often a bird of prey makes an appearance on my ride, its a beautiful thing gliding around the valley then i ride back into civilisation with the litter strewn in the gutter ,people there are some disgusting ones.
I drove home from work this morning, there was a family of rabbits playing on the roundabout and the bit of road that cars were not using, that made me laugh.
I watched a big snake swim up a stream one night in Australia about 7 feet long ,that was special.
I sat patiently at the end of a jetty once till dusk and then it appeared a salty croc came to check me out,he lay there floating with a glint in his eyes, that was special.
I walked the coastal path in Devon one late evening there sat 3 seals, that was a sight.
A grass snake appeared once whilst camping skittled straight across my path out of the bracken ,that was very lucky to see one of them.
Photograph a insect or butterfly and look at its detail, it is amazing.
Live and let live, i believe in reincarnation one day i might be that mouse.
Respect wild life and it will show itself.

Amen. Well said.

 

[al78]

+1
I am sick to the back teeth of other peoples cats coming into my garden trying to kill the birds that I so adore. No body would tolerate dogs being let out on the loose to kill what ever they fancied, so why should we tolerate it from cats.

Because cats are classed as wild animals, whereas dogs can be (and are thus expected to be) trained.

On the other side of the coin, this is also why if you run over a dog in a car you have to report it to the police, whereas you don't if you run over a cat.

In addition, dogs have a higher potential to cause serious harm to others than cats, so in that respect it would be like treating minor infractions from cyclists less severely than from motorists.

 

[al78]

Yes back to the original point




After all the arguments my mind remains unchanged. Magpies are an indigenous species and they should be allowed to continue with the life style that they have followed for millennia. It is sad that the song birds that I spend a small fortune feeding, are preyed upon by the Magpies, but that is bird life. We should not partake in species-ism and kill the Magpies. We should allow nature to run its course, the clever and astute Magpie will do well, but he will be no match for the Thrush or Blackbird who knows how to hide her nest.

A few years back I recall chatting to a woman who was distraught that the Magpies had taken all the young / eggs of the birds nesting in her garden. I asked her how she knew, she said she visited each nest everyday and one by one had noticed the decimation by the local Magpies. Very sad but this woman probably exposed all the nests by visiting them every day, she probably made the Magpies life easy.

Nature cannot run its original course when humans have seriously disrupted the natural environment. Once this happens nature is forced down a different line in which the harm caused is far worse than what the native flora and fauna have evolved to deal with.

An example of this is deer shooting in the Scottish highlands. Over the centuries people have killed the wolves that were the deers predator, thus disrupting the natural balance of the food chain. The felling of the ancient forests for charcoal during the industrial revolution has also put additional stress on the deer population. With no natural predators, the population keeps increasing and so does the destruction to the vegetation that the deer eat which prevents the forests re-establishing themselves. The solution to this therefore is to kill a certain number every year which is, in effect, doing the job that the wolves used to do in order to keep numbers down to sustainable levels and allow forest regeneration projects to succeed.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Nature cannot run its original course when humans have seriously disrupted the natural environment. Once this happens nature is forced down a different line in which the harm caused is far worse than what the native flora and fauna have evolved to deal with.

An example of this is deer shooting in the Scottish highlands. Over the centuries people have killed the wolves that were the deers predator, thus disrupting the natural balance of the food chain. The felling of the ancient forests for charcoal during the industrial revolution has also put additional stress on the deer population. With no natural predators, the population keeps increasing and so does the destruction to the vegetation that the deer eat which prevents the forests re-establishing themselves. The solution to this therefore is to kill a certain number every year which is, in effect, doing the job that the wolves used to do in order to keep numbers down to sustainable levels and allow forest regeneration projects to succeed.

If humans back off nature will balance itself. In evolutionary terms we are but a footnote on a footnote about dominant species Are we so arrogant as to think otherwise.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

We are discussing Magpies & Songbirds, I fail to see how their interaction has changed.

As I say just an excuse to shoot birds.

 

[Cycling Naturalist]

We are discussing Magpies & Songbirds, I fail to see how their interaction has changed.

The interaction has changed because of bird feeding. The magpies are alpha feeders at the birdtable, and thus a higher population level is sustained, which has an effect on their periodic prey species.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

The interaction has changed because of bird feeding. The magpies are alpha feeders at the birdtable, and thus a higher population level is sustained, which has an effect on their periodic prey species.

If we back off nature will find a balance. There is no need to kill birds to save other birds. By that rational it would be better to mass kill humans.

 

[Cycling Naturalist]

. By that rational it would be better to mass kill humans.

Got it in one. Maybe the principled element will show the way by throwing themselves off the nearest cliff.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Got it in one. Maybe the principled element will show the way by throwing themselves off the nearest cliff.

Do you want to jump, do you realy want to jump...
Never tempt a suicidal man.

 

[Becs]

Got it in one. Maybe the principled element will show the way by throwing themselves off the nearest cliff.

lol

 

[Vapin' Joe]

Got it in one. Maybe the principled element will show the way by throwing themselves off the nearest cliff.

You just don't get it, do you Patrick?

When they talk about killing humans, they mean other humans, not themselves. Oh no siree, not themselves.

Someone else.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

You just don't get it, do you Patrick?

When they talk about killing humans, they mean other humans, not themselves. Oh no siree, not themselves.

Someone else.

I thought the game was to kill the problem not the solution.

 

[Melonfish]

I thought the game was to kill the problem not the solution.

if you want to kill the problem then nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure.

simply put, life is cruel and unfair (ye gods imagine if life was fair? how horrible) i fail to see how arguing about it will help matters.
a larger animal preys on the weak, you yourself are saying that if we leave nature alone then it will balance itself out right? its just your missing a very very important fact.
are we not also a part of nature in its entirety? are we not simply animals the same as any other on this planet?
granted we assume our cognitive skills are greater then all but the mice and the dolphins (hhgttg) but this gives us an advantage over other animals, do not sharp talons and keen eyesight give the buzzard an advantage over other animals does it not prey on the weaker species? does the adder have venom simply because it wants to be cruel?

we use our advantage because we have it, by the very laws of nature themselves we have found our own defence against the nasty predators, we are almost at the top of the food chain (well done us) and we fight amongst ourselves. welcome to civilization, next stop nirvana, enlightenment and ascendency to godhood.

your arguments do not make sense, you lash out at anyone who does not share your belief system (i know a few good jahova's and evangelist christians like that) and you are rude to people because you are of the self belief you are superior to others, deep down at the core that is. there can be no other explanation for it except that you are a professional internet troll.