What happened to Burger King?

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Tin Pot

Guru
I believe that BurgerKing have been more focussed on US operations in recent years, and most recently France with the acquisition of Quick.

The quality of food is highly sensitive and regulated these days - the stories from thirty years ago aren't really relevant today.

You're individual experience will be highly dependant on the particular location you visit - IIRC it's a franchise operation, the franchise owner for the store will be calling the shots.
 
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When the horse meat scandal hit the fan a couple of years ago, McDonalds was held up as a model of how to do things properly that everyone -- including top-nosh restaurants -- could learn from. Reading that their HACCP systems were just about the best in the country gave my food prejudices the flame grill treatment, but that´s just desserts for my being a snob.

When their QA team comes knocking, you can sense the fear in their staff. When I am travelling for work in some countries and I am unsure of the hygiene, I tend to look out for Macs. Apparently their founder was rather anal about hygiene.
 

machew

Veteran
I was discussing this with a friend, we think the pasty tax has been done away with
Under long-standing VAT legislation, sale of most foods bought to eat or cook at home is zero-rated for VAT, meaning that no tax is charged. By contrast, meals bought and consumed in a restaurant, and hot take-away food or drink, are charged at a standard 20% tax rate. At the boundary between these two classes, there has been a history of legal challenges around food which is baked for sale, and is sold while still hot. If food could be claimed to be hot only incidentally, it could be zero-rated - this would apply to freshly baked bread, but also pies, pasties and similar items
The "Pasty Tax" sort to change that by
"apply VAT at the standard rate to all food which is at a temperature above the ambient air temperature at the time that it is provided to the customer, with the exception of freshly baked bread. This will clarify the rules in this area and ensure that all hot takeaway food is taxed consistently."​
 

Haitch

Flim Flormally
Location
Netherlands
And why not? We believe there are few things in life more important than the food we buy for ourselves and our families, don't we? ;)


From a report issued today by the Food Standards Agency:

Participants [in an FSA survey] expressed anxiety that food is becoming a ‘class issue’ – increasingly perceiving a divide between the ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ in terms of the kind of food they eat.

Participants expected that this trend would continue in the future, and even worried about a ‘two-tier’ food society. They were eager for intervention to help ensure that all consumers can make healthy choices and have access to whole, affordable, nutritious foods – even if they don’t always choose to have them.
 

swee'pea99

Squire
Apparently their founder was rather anal about hygiene.
His name was Raymond Kroc, and he was a genuine visionary. Amazingly enough, the whole thing did actually start out with two brothers: Maurice and Richard McDonald.

As a milk-shake machine salesman, Raymond Kroc routinely paid visits to clients. But when the fifty-two-year-old salesman traveled from his home near Chicago to southern California to meet two of his biggest clients, the result was anything but routine.

Maurice and Richard McDonald had left New Hampshire in 1930, seeking to make their fortune in Hollywood. Unable to strike it big in Tinseltown, the brothers wound up as proprietors of a drive-in restaurant in San Bernardino, a dusty outpost fifty-five miles east of Los Angeles.

While most restaurants bought one or two Prince Castle Multimixers, which could mix five shakes at once, the McDonalds had purchased eight. And Kroc was curious to see what kind of operation needed the capacity to churn forty milk shakes at one time. So he trekked to San Bernardino, and what he saw there changed his life. Kroc stood in the shadows of the stand's two radiant golden arches, which lit up the sky at dusk, and saw lines of people snaking outside the octagonal restaurant. Through the building's all-glass walls, he watched the male crew, clad in white paper hats and white uniforms, hustle about the squeaky-clean restaurant, dishing out burgers, fries and shakes to the working-class families that drove up. "Something was definitely happening here, I told myself," Kroc later wrote in his autobiography, Grinding It Out. "This had to be the most amazing merchandising operation I'd ever seen."

Unlike so many food-service operations Kroc had come across, this joint hummed like a finely tuned engine. As Forbes put it: "In short, the brothers brought efficiency to a slap-dash business." They offered a nine-item menu -- burgers, french fries, shakes, and pies -- eliminated seating, and used paper and plastic utensils instead of glass and china. They had also devised the rudiments of a hamburger assembly line so they could deliver orders in less than sixty seconds. And the prices were remarkably low: fifteen-cent burgers and ten-cent fries. Kroc instantly knew he had seen the future. "When I saw it working that day in 1954, I felt like some latter-day Newton who'd just had an Idaho potato caromed off his skull," Kroc said. "That night in my motel room I did a lot of heavy thinking about what I'd seen during the day. Visions of McDonald's restaurants dotting crossroads all over the country paraded through my brain."

Hygiene was indeed one of his obsessions. And following the brothers (and flying in the face of all previous practice, which followed the precept 'what the eye doesn't see') he made a point of having no barrier between the food buying area and the food preparation area. Rather than prevent the customer seeing the dodgy stuff that was going on back there, Kroc made sure that everyone could see that there was no dodgy stuff going on - and that 'back there' and out here were effectively one indivisible space.

Waste was another. I remember reading about how he transformed the transport of liquids in the American (and, ultimately, global) food industry, with the introduction of straight-edged containers. McDonalds used to get its milk and other liquids in barrels, plastic versions of the barrels that had transported liquids since liquids had been transported. As one of his early colleagues put it: "Anyone else would look at a pallet of milk and see a load of barrels of milk. Ray would look at it and see the gaps in between the barrels. It used to drive him nuts."

It's all in a genuinely fascinating book called Behind the Arches. Required reading, I'd suggest, for simple-minded glibsters who have any interest in learning stuff rather than sneering their way through life. (And I speak as one who believes the fast food industry to be among the greatest threats we face, and regards sugar, fat and salt as the horsemen of our ongoing apocalypse.)
 

swee'pea99

Squire
Speaking of sugar, fat and salt, have you read this one?
No I hadn't. I shall.

I did see a fascinating programme recently which looked into this whole area, and cited one fascinating experiment.

Apparently if you give a rat a straight choice between proper food and fat, it will go for the fat every time. If you give it a choice between proper food and sugar (which includes, dietarily speaking, carbs), it will go for the sugar. But in both cases, it will gorge itself until it's full, then stop. However, if you combine the two in what experiments have shown to be the optimum proportions, these being basically 50/50, it will go for that combination in preference to either proper food or fat or sugar. But - and here's the kicker - it will not gorge itself until it's full, then stop. No, it will just keep on eating. Until, literally, it eats itself to death. As the scientist hosting the programme put it, 'it's as though we're hard-wired with a little voice that says: "Ok, you've had enough." And that voice works, with proper food, or fat, or sugar. But the 50/50 combination of sugar and fat, somehow turns that voice off. They coupled this with analysis of fast foods, and found that pretty much all of them, from pizzas to burgers to doughnuts contain - you'll never guess...
 

marknotgeorge

Hol den Vorschlaghammer!
Location
Derby.
When I was a manager at McDs, one of my colleagues gave me a copy of Fast Food Nation as a Secret Santa gift. There were numerous times when I'd read something and think 'that doesn't apply here'. I also remember the BSE scandal. We got a phonecall one sunday evening from Andrew Preston, the top man at McD UK at the time. He told us to stick Do Not Use tape over all of the beef in the walk-in freezer. We had to sell breakfast items and chicken until they could get beef sourced from elsewhere in Europe. Germany, I think.

If your stories of poor practices come from someone who used to work there, ask them why they weren't doing their job properly.
 

Haitch

Flim Flormally
Location
Netherlands
Which reminds me, I used to work on the floor above the McDonald's University in Amsterdam. Smelt of cooking oils all day long and we never ever got free samples.
 

tyred

Squire
Location
Ireland
I haven't eaten in McDonalds or similar in at least 15 years. They sell no food which appeals to me and yet reading this has made me fancy a big Mac and fries:wacko::hungry:
 
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