What locks do y'all use?

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bauldbairn

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fossyant said:
Yes that's right - try to insure a good bike...more than the bloody car..hence why I do it through CIS...........as an extension to my home policy.

Insure any £1k plus bike will cost you more than a average car........mad... even if the bloody thing lives anchored to the garage floor, is only used on occasions.......

TBH the quotes I got for getting my best bike insured 13 years ago were obscene.... and it was never left anywhere - locked up in a garage anchored to floor, ride, back.... never left...... more than the car....FFS.............

Just got Insurance through CTC with Butterworth Insurance Services for my bike for £54.71 - more for personal injury / third party / legal stuff than theft of bike itself. Has to be locked with a "soldsecure silver" lock to be covered.

Are Butterworth any good?
 

bauldbairn

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Not trying to worry anyone - but have a look at this video of how easy it is to break motorcycle locks(remember new bikes are commonly worth between £8k -£20k+) before you buy a lock for your bicycle.:laugh:

Its on You Tube - titled, "various sold secure and thatcham chains chopped" - by www.iq18films.co.uk - I Googled it.

They seem to be a bunch of bikers with a serious axe to grind against inefficient chain regulators / manufacturing.:biggrin:

Sorry don't know how to put a link!:biggrin: Maybe someone could explain?;)
 

srw

It's a bit more complicated than that...
Bromptonaut said:
None.

The Brompton lives under my desk and goes with me to meetings. Never had a problem with that and those I'm meeting either regard it as routine or comment kidly on my fitness and bravery!

Likewise. Do I feel smug? You bet!
 

garrilla

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bauldbairn said:
Not trying to worry anyone - but have a look at this video of how easy it is to break motorcycle locks(remember new bikes are commonly worth between £8k -£20k+) before you buy a lock for your bicycle.:biggrin:

Its on You Tube - titled, "various sold secure and thatcham chains chopped" - by www.iq18films.co.uk - I Googled it.

They seem to be a bunch of bikers with a serious axe to grind against inefficient chain regulators / manufacturing.:biggrin:

Sorry don't know how to put a link!:biggrin: Maybe someone could explain?:tongue:

the youtube link
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck



That film was an advert for AlMax Security Chains. But they don't test any Almax Security chains in the video. Why is that?
 

scouserinlondon

Senior Member
I use a Kryptonite New York 3000 lock with a cable through the front tyre. When at work this is beefed up with an Autolock Rhino Chain (for motorbikes), which ways about 6kilos and stays wrapped around the racks.
 

bauldbairn

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garrilla said:
the youtube link
View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC3hFr8p2ck



That film was an advert for AlMax Security Chains. But they don't test any Almax Security chains in the video. Why is that?



Sorry! Didn't realise it was an ad - regardless, as long as the chains etc hadn't been tampered with its still interesting viewing. The Almax would probably go the same way then - with a bang?:hugs:

Don't have much experience with bike locks - but work in Engineering and have had to cut a few chains / padlocks off tool boxes(lost keys) workshop gates(lost keys/keyholder took them on hols etc). All legal and above board Gov'n'r, by the way;). A lot are(were) manufactured by the same companies though(Abus,Masterlock,Squire) and to be honest we had about the same success as these guys. With basic gear.

As steel / chain / bolt tech improves so does the cutting equipment. About ten years ago a rep visited me on site with a small flexible kevlar material like cutting disc(size of an old 10p) impregnated with diamond dust or something - can't remember the exact blurb. It was for high speed hand air tools(20,000rpm) and it would cut through ANYTHING. We used it for removing bearing races(which are pretty hard) without putting heat onto the shafts/housings. Seemples!:wacko:

Just think about what your buying / protecting and where you park your bike. Forewarned is forearmed n all that.

Thanks for posting the link "garilla."
 

fossyant

Ride It Like You Stole It!
Location
South Manchester
Hmmmmmmm

Had a chat with a colleague today who uses one of my employers "secure" cycling areas everyday.......... 3 bikes taken in the last month (including his)..... swipe card access, door release button is shielded from outside (at my request).....looks like folk are not being vigilant and letting folk in.... CCTV camera broken...... Notice has gone up recommending good d-locks and not to let anyone in the compound..... the bikes that have gone are/were secured with cheap cable locks.

In there today, still many bikes with piddly cable locks.......:tongue:
 

slowmotion

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I saw similar links on YouTube about heavy duty "Bikers' Chains". Maybe MCN did the film, I do not remember. My D lock from MasterLock would not stand a chance against bolt cutters with that kind of lever arm.

Somebody pointed out to me that if you use "Biker's Chains", the way to protect it is to make sure that the chain is nowhere near the ground. If it is up in the air, nobody can put their body weight on the cutter arms.
 

bauldbairn

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slowmotion said:
Somebody pointed out to me that if you use "Biker's Chains", the way to protect it is to make sure that the chain is nowhere near the ground. If it is up in the air, nobody can put their body weight on the cutter arms.

Good point - suppose that's as important as where the chain goes through the frame of the bike / wheels.
 

bauldbairn

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Incidentally "slowmotion" - does your Masterlock D-lock have a "soldsecure" rating on it, and who's the "Gold" rating by?

I'm looking for a D-lock and there are one's like yours(I think) on Amazon with extension cables for £24. My bikes only ever left outside a shop for a short while or in a friends garden / garage(most journey's are home to home). So don't really want to pay £100 - as I already have 2 ok locks, but my insurance needs main one to be at least Silver "soldsecure".

Thanks.
 

Norm

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slowmotion said:
Somebody pointed out to me that if you use "Biker's Chains", the way to protect it is to make sure that the chain is nowhere near the ground. If it is up in the air, nobody can put their body weight on the cutter arms.
Yup, and it also means you can't get a chisel to the chains. First rule of locking motorbikes, that one. :evil:

bauldbairn said:
but my insurance needs main one to be at least Silver "soldsecure".
Just insured my new ride and my insurers said they'd only cover it at home or if locked to something solid, but there was no requirement on the status or abilities of the lock.
 

bauldbairn

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Norm said:
Just insured my new ride and my insurers said they'd only cover it at home or if locked to something solid, but there was no requirement on the status or abilities of the lock.

Cheers! I'm insured through Butterworth(off CTC) and if the bikes stolen from outside you have to prove you were in possession of the right standard of lock(and used it - receipt,key) for the value of your bike.

Under £250 Bronze soldsecure, under £1500 Silver soldsecure, over £1500 Gold soldsecure.

There are other restrictions like; must not be left unattended in your house for over 40days(unsecured - eg, if on holiday), not locked outside for more than 12 hours(on the same bikestand).
 

Dave Green

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Hi there,

I've just noticed a few people visiting my site thanks to this thread.

I just thought I'd pass on a little info that may be of interest.

The video posted is indeed an advert for Almax (which is part one of a two part advert. The second part is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =ozppzywsLsk&feature=related, for which my company was paid and, obviously, makes me, theoretically at least, highly biased.

However, I have to add that I've been a professional motorcycle journalist for over 13 years, who was absolutely appalled when I saw just how easy it was to crop so-called 'uncroppable' chains. All of the chains were brand new, except where stated, and they were all checked by myself and the journo from the magazine Riders Digest, who was also there as an independent witness.

As you should have seen, at the end of the video there's a statement from my company regarding the genuine results of the cropping and that I was prepared to go to court and state this. Kryptonite, one of the manufacturers, claimed the video was fake, and by association, that my company was responsible for producing a dishonest video. After the threat of legal action, they withdrew this accusation.

The history behind these two videos is, obviously, part of Almax's advertising, however it's also part of their long running battle with Sold Secure and Thatcham regarding their, frankly, amateurish, misleading testing procedures.

After making these two videos I researched the subject further for a magazine article. What I found was chains like the Oxford Monster (at the time, the most popular bike chain sold in the UK) could be cropped with the small croppers sold at places like Lidl. I checked this with a police officer friend who works for the Met, who not only confirmed this but then told me the story of nicking three kids (13 and under) who had stolen over 20 mopeds and who had a pile of cropped chains, most of which were apparently Oxford Monster (Sold Secure and Thatcham approved) in their shed.

When I looked at cycle chains the results were even worse. A normal U-
Lock and cable can both be cut with the smallest croppers in seconds.

The absolute, undeniable conclusion was that the Sold Secure and Thatcham seals of approval are, quite simply, meaningless.

Unfortunately, for cyclists at least, Almax chains are not the solution as they're very big and very heavy. Possibly perfect for home security (for motorcycles this is where the vast majority are stolen from) but rather impractical for carrying around.

For a truly enlightening, and depressing, discussion on the subject, you really need to talk to Captain Cropper who is a mine of information regarding this subject.
 

bauldbairn

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Dave Green said:
Hi there,

The absolute, undeniable conclusion was that the Sold Secure and Thatcham seals of approval are, quite simply, meaningless.

For a truly enlightening, and depressing, discussion on the subject, you really need to talk to Captain Cropper who is a mine of information regarding this subject.

Thanks for taking the time to reply Dave. I'm sure I'll find your second video as informative and interesting as your first.

As an ex-motorcyclist / scooterist, I fully appreciate how difficult it is to keep valuable pieces of equipment out of the hands of the thieving minority. Some of the cyclists on here will have bikes worth £000's!
As you rightly point out our biggest problem is the weight of the high security locks and carrying them.
 
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