What really gets your goat while driving?

[GrasB]

No, the people who drive all the way to where the cones start tapering out the lane then try and force their way over are tossers and deserve not to be let in.

Or how about you stop being self important *** & start cooperating with other people... I mean would that be such a radical idea?

At merges the best way is to do 1:1 filtering if both drivers drive smoothly & consistently you can simply merge with a minimum of fuss & reduction in speed. This is often proven with large groups of independently driven cars going to & from the same location (no that's NOT a convoy... we don't officially organise them!). Coming up to a filtering down from 2 lanes to 1 the tail car pulls out allowing the cars to split & form a group, that group at the restriction then re-merges generally with very little change in speed. If you're at the back of this manoeuvre quickly you find the group actually pulls away from most cars behind as the drivers are to busy trying to gain the cars length or two.

So much aggression................... chill.

+1

 

[domd1979]

Or how about you stop being self important *** & start cooperating with other people... I mean would that be such a radical idea?

Sod off. I am generally pretty co-operative when driving, but I cannot stand arrogant tossers who basically want to force their way to the front of a queue. Typically where the carriageway narrows down by a lane, because of roadworks or whatever it is, it is signed well in advance. Most drivers start to merge well in advance, which is what's needed, and everyone can be merged smoothly well in advance. There are a minority who scream up to the last possible point where their lane disappears into nothing and then try and force their way over. Why the feck should I co-operate with anyone who has deliberately left it to that point?

 

[GrasB]

Sod off. I am generally pretty co-operative when driving, but I cannot stand arrogant tossers who basically want to force their way to the front of a queue. Typically where the carriageway narrows down by a lane, because of roadworks or whatever it is, it is signed well in advance. Most drivers start to merge well in advance, which is what's needed, and everyone can be merged smoothly well in advance. There are a minority who scream up to the last possible point where their lane disappears into nothing and then try and force their way over. Why the feck should I co-operate with anyone who has deliberately left it to that point?

So you're not actually a cooperative driver then. The thing is if you actually cooperate by leaving a proper gap this whole perceived problem never happens in the first place, it's odd that really isn't it. All filtering in early does is reduce the road capacity.

 

[domd1979]

So you're not actually a cooperative driver then.

You're in no position to comment on that - I'm more than happy to co-operate except where someone is behaving unreasonably. Pushing into queues at the absolute latest possible moment is unreasonable and dangerous.

All filtering in early does is reduce the road capacity.

Nope. Got any proof of that?

Those that push in at the last minute invariably cause the person behind to have to brake because the person pushing in is not merging safely. Braking propogates back and disrupts flow.

 

[hackbike 666]

Not having a car.

 

[GrasB]

You're in no position to comment on that - I'm more than happy to co-operate except where someone is behaving unreasonably. Pushing into queues at the absolute latest possible moment is unreasonable and dangerous.

Again the only reason they're acting unreasonably is because YOU have decided this is a problem, if you drive in a reasonable manner & leave a proper gap there is no problem to start with. Thus one can conclude that you're not driving cooperatively.

Nope. Got any proof of that?

Group runs to events when this happens, filter 'late' & not a problem because everyone is cooperating & the road speed higher & has less variation... smoother road progression generally equals higher road capacity.

Those that push in at the last minute invariably cause the person behind to have to brake because the person pushing in is not merging safely. Braking propogates back and disrupts flow.

Again you're making a problem because of your pre-conception, you're to close to allow proper filtering so then you have to brake causing the ripple effect, which in its self is a symptom of people not allowing enough space to start with. If you actually leave an appropriate space for filtering this doesn't happen, the only time I have to touch the brakes in this situation is if I get more than 2 cars in the gap.

 

[Archie_tect]

GrasB, you are assuming that cars in both lanes are merging in turn which is when merging works efficiently and it's great when it happens... what domd is annoyed about is when selfish people ignore merging in turn before the cones start [cos why wait until the very last minute if people are co-operating] and insist on driving as far forward past eveybody to get a few car lengths advantage and then push their way in... and I'm with him on that.

The British sense of fairness applies... if people are co-operating the merge in turn works seamlessly, if people abuse it then those who have been courteous then take great satisfaction by freezing out the selfish even to the extent of creating a delay just for the hell of it.

 

[GrasB]

Archie_tect, wrong way round... a more interesting question is why merge early if people are cooperating? The answer is well... there's no reason actually. The only reason to merge early is people on the inside are selfish & decided that when the cones start is the point when there shouldn't be anyone pulling in ahead of them. If you're on the inside & leave reasonable space there simply is no problem.

 

[PaulB]

Again the only reason they're acting unreasonably is because YOU have decided this is a problem, if you drive in a reasonable manner & leave a proper gap there is no problem to start with. Thus one can conclude that you're not driving cooperatively.

What an unpleasant man you are. You're not asking us to accept you are being serious and not on a massive wind up? If so, you're a plank and if not, unto us is born another berk.

 

[Glow worm]

1. Ditherers.
2. Slamming the brakes on when hitting lower speed limit areas instead of a gentle change down through gears to slow.
3. Joining motorways at 35-40 mph always seems a bit daft/ dangerous
4. 'Baby on board' signs. As if they want a medal or something for managing to breed.
5. Fella's (it's always blokes) who HAVE to put hard hats on the shelf thing under the car rear window. Cos nowhere else in the car could possibly accomodate a hat. Funny how chefs never do it with their work related hats. Or judges. Or beekeepers. Or gimps.

I really feel for anyone on here who has to drive regularly and am lucky it's a very rare torture for me.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

What really annoys me is a nice clear road and the guy infront of me slows/stops to let someone across the lane. If it's quiet they can ruddy well wait until we are past!

So much aggression................... chill.

No, Byegad has a point there. I'm happy to let folk in if I can do so safely, but suddenly slowing down to unexpectedly cede your right of way is not on, and can be dangerous.

 

[GrasB]

What an unpleasant man you are. You're not asking us to accept you are being serious and not on a massive wind up? If so, you're a plank and if not, unto us is born another berk.

The thing is I leave far more space than most people & this is one of the many issues I almost never see. It's one of the reasons people who are driven to places by me if make comments always say that some how the drive is more relaxed, less eventful, surprisingly quick & feels safer compared to other people. So go ahead, call me unpleasant, a berk or a plank... hell call me all of them if you wish. I'll just keep on getting to my destination sooner, using less fuel, more relaxed & continue to be the one asked to drive by friends & family.

 

[threebikesmcginty]

People who drive around a town centre like it's a race track.

 

[slowmotion]

The British sense of fairness applies... if people are co-operating the merge in turn works seamlessly, if people abuse it then those who have been courteous then take great satisfaction by freezing out the selfish even to the extent of creating a delay just for the hell of it.

Absolutely! I'm one of those miserable old sods who will go out of his way to make their lives as difficult as possible. It is just naked queue jumping. Why reward their selfishness?

 

[XmisterIS]

1. Ditherers.

You would hate my Mother's driving then! She's the Queen of ditherers!

Frankly, it terrifies me. Whenever I have to get into the passenger seat with her driving, I go all giddy and prepare for death.

Sometimes I just shut my eyes and go as limp as possible - they say that's the best way to minimise injury in the event of an accident!

My Mother has written off four cars in ten years.

Her party-trick is to turn onto dual carriageways facing the wrong way ... at this point the blood drains from my entire body and I start repenting of my sins in readiness to meet my Maker ... Last time she did that, instead of keeping calm and doing a U-turn ASAP, she freaked out!