What single work of creation would you remove from the world?

[srw]

Has anyone mentioned the Mona Lisa yet, the most underwhelming thing da Vinci did.

At least he finished it. If you want to lose a bit of Leonardo, I'd go for the sketches of helicopters.

 

[winjim]

TBH I think you've got the reasons covered. Or rather, uncovered.

But quite possibly unthinkingly, which is interesting. To my understanding, the idea of the thread was to make you really think about cultural artefacts and what they mean, but this is just "a thing I don't like or understand".

Really, the cultural reach of hip-hop, and before that funk, soul, rock & roll, blues, gospel is so mind bogglingly huge. But here's the thing, hopefully in the spirit of the thread. To prevent rap music, you need to prevent all that great black american music that preceded and influenced it. And that all came out of the social situation that black people found, and still find themselves in. So you need to fix that. So ultimately you need to go back and prevent black slavery from ever occurring. That's the only way to do it but I bet a load of people would be happy to hang up their 808s for that alternative history to have happened.

 

[Tim Hall]

It's a mixture of pure bigotry and irrational hatred. Will that do?

I'm not seeing (or hearing) bigotry or irrational hatred here:

 

[winjim]

[QUOTE 5094851, member: 43827"]I made no comment about either of those options. But I'm sure that won't stop you making assumptions about my preferences.

Just checking. Is mentioning not liking Rap music in a llght-hearted thread racist?[/QUOTE]
It's not a thread about what one likes. It's a thread about cultural impact.

 

[Profpointy]

You've just destroyed a huge chunk of black american cultural identity, political engagement, education and communication.

Care to expand on your reasoning?

Also, rap music's not a single thing so it doesn't count anyway so ner.

Hang on a minute. I don't much like Wagner, at least not the singy bits, but that doesn't mean I don't like an awful lot of the last 1500 years worth of music from the European tradition. Nor does it mean I'm decrying the whole of western civilisation and culture

 

[srw]

Hang on a minute. I don't much like Wagner, at least not the singy bits, but that doesn't mean I don't like an awful lot of the last 1500 years worth of music from the European tradition. Nor does it mean I'm decrying the whole of western civilisation and culture

But to prevent Wagner you need to prevent Beethoven. Which means preventing Mozart. Which means preventing Bach. And so on back to Gregory the Great.

I think that's the argument @winjim is making.

 

[Profpointy]

But to prevent Wagner you need to prevent Beethoven. Which means preventing Mozart. Which means preventing Bach. And so on back to Gregory the Great.

I think that's the argument @winjim is making.

Ah I see. Some sort of Zen point about the interconnectedness of all things.

And yet I still like Beethoven.

 

[slowmotion]

I'm not seeing (or hearing) bigotry or irrational hatred here:

I was trying to explain that my lack of enthusiasm for the genre was a product of my bigotry etc, not its appearance in the "music".

 

[winjim]

But to prevent Wagner you need to prevent Beethoven. Which means preventing Mozart. Which means preventing Bach. And so on back to Gregory the Great.

I think that's the argument @winjim is making.

Yeah sort of. But in the spirit of the game and as I alluded to in my original post about guitars, I don't think there's a way to do that simply by the destruction of a single cultural artefact. So it's a moot point.

[QUOTE 5094865, member: 43827"]Yes. The Bee Gees, Art Garfunkel's Hair etc. Etc. Very cultural.[/QUOTE]
But I'm not particularly interested in exploring the cultural consequences of destroying Art Garfunkel's hair, although there undoubtedly would be ramifications. But I am interested in the cultural reach of rap music, and you can't discuss that without discussing race. You simply can't.

 

[winjim]

I was trying to explain that my lack of enthusiasm for the genre was a product of my bigotry etc, not its appearance in the "music".

That was how I took it.

 

[slowmotion]

That was how I took it.

Thanks.

 

[winjim]

Thanks.

And lightheartedly I mean. I'm not calling yiu an actual bigot.

 

[accountantpete]

This poster was so outrageously sexist that no self-respecting student would dream of putting it on his wall next to The Who Maximum R&B poster that came with The Who Live At Leeds LP and the black and red Che Guevara poster nicked from the student common room after a night on the booze.

 

[Tim Hall]

I was trying to explain that my lack of enthusiasm for the genre was a product of my bigotry etc, not its appearance in the "music".

Ah, soz, mea culpa.

 

[Hitchington]

"God save the Queen/King"
May it rot in hell.