What to do (Pelican Crossings)

GrumpyGregry

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downfader said:
To a point you're right, but there does come a point when the critical mass of pedestrians start to take the p***. We have to remember there is actually a big reference to the green cross code in the highway code too and that peds have an obligation to cross when its safe - and that defines safe as a good gap in the traffic.
They can take the piss as long as they want. That's life. They have the most rights being the most vulnerable. Pedestrians, equestrians, cyclists, motorists. That's the league table. Peds top it. They got here first.

[rant]The green cross code is a pile of perncious toss which seeks to compel the most vulnerable of road users to behave in ways contrary to their instincts in order to minimise the risk of them being slaughtered by a numpty in a motor vehicle whose 'right' to drive in at a speed and in a manner which endangers others seems to regarded as fundamental in our (breoken) society.

Everything that is wrong with the failure of shared space road provision in this country is summed up by the Green Cross Code. Making children change their behaviour rather than cyclists/drivers. Blaming victims? Pathetic. [/rant]
 

GrumpyGregry

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BentMikey said:
That's assault, that is, and I'm sure I'd press charges.
Nope. It's physics. :thumbsup:

Typical (racing snake) aggressive London cyclist, probably on a fixed, weaving slowly through crowd collides with a six two 15 stone ex-rugby player who didn't get out of the way or change direction fast enough and was 'braced for impact'.

Assualt? You're having a laugh ;-)
 

Origamist

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No apologies for the repost:

You know what I hate? Pedestrians. That self-satisfied, striding, boot-bedecked bunch of scum. Is it just me, or does the country suddenly seem to be full of them? I've never tried walking anywhere myself -- why would I? I'm a successful adult -- but it seems I can hardly travel down the street these days without one of them stepping off the pavement in front of me without looking, their face set in a holier-than-thou expression as they jump out of the way of my car in a burst of expletives. Something clearly needs to be done, and it's good that the government are starting to realise this.

The thing is, it's not just that pedestrians are all smug and annoying when they bang on about "health" and "pollution". That's sickening enough, but if their smugness was the only problem I could just ignore them - after all, they and their silly 'shoes' flash past quick enough when I get going, and their smugness can't penetrate my car's tinted windows. But the thing is there's more to it than that, because have you noticed that even though pedestrians walk millions of miles on our road system every single day, they contribute nothing at all to the cost of that road system? They have thousands and thousands of miles of dedicated pedestrian-only travel routes -- pavements, they're called, or sidewalks if you're that way inclined -- which they don't pay a penny for! Whilst honest motorists are taxed left, right and centre, they don't pay anything at all for all these facilities they enjoy. It beggars belief.

And recently, of course, it's got worse. As I'm driving up the street I constantly come across pedestrians walking across my part of the road to get from one of these pavements to another. I mean, what the hell...? Do they want the shirt off my back as well? They've been given vast tracts of pedestrian-only routes, where I'm certainly not allowed to drive, but apparently this isn't enough for them. Oh no, they want to keep encroaching into my space as well. Sure, we've all heard these walking zealots who say that it's because the 'pavements' don't form a joined-up network, meaning they can't walk to where they want to go without having to step onto the road from time to time. Aw, bless their little hearts. To pedestrians I say this: get off my part of the road. If you walk there when I'm coming along then I'll happily run you down, that's all.

In the long term there's clearly only one solution to all this. If pedestrians want to walk on our streets, which we pay for with all our driving taxes, then they need to pay their share and take their part of the responsibility. Anybody who walks anywhere should undergo training, should have to pay an annual tax towards the facilities they enjoy, should display a license plate so they can be identified, and should each be made to carry insurance in case they are ever involved in any accidents. Until then, they can sod off back to Shoeville or wherever it is they go when they aren't freeloading off the rest of us.
http://bamboobadger.blogspot.com/2009/10/why-i-hate-pedestrians.html
 

downfader

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GregCollins said:
They can take the piss as long as they want. That's life. They have the most rights being the most vulnerable. Pedestrians, equestrians, cyclists, motorists. That's the league table. Peds top it. They got here first.

[rant]The green cross code is a pile of perncious toss which seeks to compel the most vulnerable of road users to behave in ways contrary to their instincts in order to minimise the risk of them being slaughtered by a numpty in a motor vehicle whose 'right' to drive in at a speed and in a manner which endangers others seems to regarded as fundamental in our (breoken) society.

Everything that is wrong with the failure of shared space road provision in this country is summed up by the Green Cross Code. Making children change their behaviour rather than cyclists/drivers. Blaming victims? Pathetic. [/rant]
If you're going to rant out of context like that why not go the full hog? Rant at fellow cyclists for following the highway code, because it creates a set of provisions we have to follow rather than making drivers alter their behaviour?

The GCC is and always will be with current traffic trends a practical guide for reducing road injuries and deaths. Stop, look, listen. Is there traffic coming? No? Then and only then is it safe to proceed.

And no. Currently pedestrians get the raw deal from a legal and social perspective, they are no where near high up the "league table", mores the pity for some imo.
 

Jezston

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2Loose said:
Very busy crossings are an issue due to people following the person in front, rather than following the signals and being aware of what is going on around themselves.

My behaviour was childish, no question, but much better than pushing my way through.

At the crossing in question, the council have started providing marshalls to prevent people from delaying buses and other vehicles because the problem is so bad.
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/news/Zebra-crossing-marshal-trials-continue-city-centre/article-1936612-detail/article.html
I hope that's being done for this crossing:

http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=52.955141,-1.147916&spn=0,0.000636&t=h&z=21&layer=c&cbll=52.955141,-1.148018&panoid=PwZdPMWBJ7mP1GnCJxB3wg&cbp=12,93.16,,0,4.95

Saturday's are the worst here - a crossing between the town center and a major shopping centre, NO ONE stops. If there's not a fast car or large bus charging towards the crossing vast swathes of people head into the road. If you're on a bike, no one gives a toss ... except for the drivers honking at you as you sit stationary in the middle of a t-junction.
 

GrumpyGregry

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downfader said:
If you're going to rant out of context like that why not go the full hog? Rant at fellow cyclists for following the highway code, because it creates a set of provisions we have to follow rather than making drivers alter their behaviour?

The GCC is and always will be with current traffic trends a practical guide for reducing road injuries and deaths. Stop, look, listen. Is there traffic coming? No? Then and only then is it safe to proceed.

And no. Currently pedestrians get the raw deal from a legal and social perspective, they are no where near high up the "league table", mores the pity for some imo.
Blanket, rigidly enforced, 20 mph, or lower, urban speed limits would do more to reduce pedestrian casualties than any amount of GCC driven subservience to the almighty internal combustion engine.

I'm afraid my attitude has been radicalised by some recent reading and the even more recent death of a close friend's child. Unless we tackle the 'road safety' nonsense pedalled to all and sundry which inevitably accepts the 1000's of deaths caused by drivers as 'unavoidable accidents' and actually address the root causes we don't deserve to be called a civilised society..
 
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