Whistleblowing
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Chuffy
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Ah right, I'd assumed that he was also a director. My caveats still apply though...FatFellaFromFelixstowe said:
In that case you're going to be a bit skinny on the evidence front. Unless your talkative friend has it in a format that he is willing and able to give it to you. 'Something that a bloke told me' isn't going to be enough. Which raises the obvious question, if he's off to NZ and is (presumably) leaving the company then why can't he do the deed?
OP
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Chuffy said:
I asked him this however he says he just does not want the hassle and as he has not got a job lined up yet in NZ thinks that it could hinder him if he wants a job reference at a later stage.
I believe however that he has a copy of a credit card statement
Chuffy
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Fairy snuff, I guessed that might be the case. Doesn't help you much though.FatFellaFromFelixstowe said:I asked him this however he says he just does not want the hassle and as he has not got a job lined up yet in NZ thinks that it could hinder him if he wants a job reference at a later stage.
I believe however that he has a copy of a credit card statement
Credit card statement? Hmmm. It's not a lot to go on is it? I'm starting to think that maybe you don't need the aggro either. If you don't have a shedload of hard evidence of this bloke's dodgy dealings then I think you're on a hiding to nothing. Frustrating, but that's life unfortunately...
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Chuffy said:
It's not right though and given that this ***** wants to make cuts in our office whilst spending on himself like the Sultan of Brunai really gets my goat and I am not going to let this lie. I think it is going to be the e mail from a stooge account.
Danny
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I think you need to be very careful.
Are you sure your company doesn't allow senior manger to put such expenses on their credit card as unofficial, and non taxable, perks?
Also, how did you come across the info about your manage? Were you spying on him or did you see his credit card statement as part of your normal work. If the latter it puts you in a stronger position.
If what your manage is doing is definitely against company policy, and you can show you weren't vindictively spying on him, I think you should try a personal approach to an appropriate director. You should say you feel very awkward about approaching him, but have inadvertently come across some information you think he should know about. Just give him enough detail so he can conduct his own investigation, and try and keep everything factual so it doesn't appear that you are out to get your manager. Obviously ask that the conversation be treated as confidential, but keep detailed notes about the discussion in case there is any comeback on you later.
Personally if I was one of your directors I would treat a personal approach far more seriously than an an anonymous email, and respect the person who had the courage to approach me directly about this kind of issue.
Are you sure your company doesn't allow senior manger to put such expenses on their credit card as unofficial, and non taxable, perks?
Also, how did you come across the info about your manage? Were you spying on him or did you see his credit card statement as part of your normal work. If the latter it puts you in a stronger position.
If what your manage is doing is definitely against company policy, and you can show you weren't vindictively spying on him, I think you should try a personal approach to an appropriate director. You should say you feel very awkward about approaching him, but have inadvertently come across some information you think he should know about. Just give him enough detail so he can conduct his own investigation, and try and keep everything factual so it doesn't appear that you are out to get your manager. Obviously ask that the conversation be treated as confidential, but keep detailed notes about the discussion in case there is any comeback on you later.
Personally if I was one of your directors I would treat a personal approach far more seriously than an an anonymous email, and respect the person who had the courage to approach me directly about this kind of issue.
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Danny G No these expenses are definatly not legit, not sure of any company that would let you clock up 12 grand to ladbrokes on a company credit card. I was told this information in confidence by my current boss who is emigrating this weekend.
decisions decisions
decisions decisions
colly
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[quote I was told this information in confidence by my current boss who is emigrating this weekend.
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Just an idea.... What about getting your current boss to blow the whistle on him as his parting shot?
If he isn't willing to do it then what about approaching the director who you are on good terms with and ask him 'hypothetically' how he would feel about an employee using the company card for gambling?
He might just say .....Oh yeah great idea we all do that. (unlikely)
More likely he would ask : What have you heard? Are we talking about someone we both know?
A way out would be to say well check all company cards and see what you find.
Then it wouldn't exactly be you who were spilling the beans if it came out in a check up of all cards.
Might be a chickens way out but on the other hand you might still get brownie points.
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Just an idea.... What about getting your current boss to blow the whistle on him as his parting shot?
If he isn't willing to do it then what about approaching the director who you are on good terms with and ask him 'hypothetically' how he would feel about an employee using the company card for gambling?
He might just say .....Oh yeah great idea we all do that. (unlikely)
More likely he would ask : What have you heard? Are we talking about someone we both know?
A way out would be to say well check all company cards and see what you find.
Then it wouldn't exactly be you who were spilling the beans if it came out in a check up of all cards.
Might be a chickens way out but on the other hand you might still get brownie points.
swee'pea99
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I really don't envy you your position. If I were you I wouldn't do it by email - I'd type out a few telling facts (literally - don't tell the story, no prose, just a list of eg, 'new alloy wheels - £700' etc, followed by 'company Mastercard') and the ********'s name on a sheet of A4, put it in an envelope, with 'for addressee only' on the envelope and the name of an appropriate top dog and have it posted by your Aunt who lives in Scotland. All that's really necessary is that the recipient is convinced enough to follow it up - the rest will take care of itself. And your anonymity is guaranteed.
colly
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Just had another idea about this.
You could stand in the middle of the office and accuse him in a LOUD voice of being a cheat and a thief. Do it in front of everyone you can gather there including a director or two.
(it's called the 'shoot or bust' gambit)
Stand back and see what happens.
Another idea depending on how much of an upright citizen you are...............blackmail the tw4t.
You could stand in the middle of the office and accuse him in a LOUD voice of being a cheat and a thief. Do it in front of everyone you can gather there including a director or two.
(it's called the 'shoot or bust' gambit)
Stand back and see what happens.
Another idea depending on how much of an upright citizen you are...............blackmail the tw4t.
Danny
Squire
I'd second Colly's Suggestion 1 if that is an option.
If he is not prepared to blow the whistle I would do some combination of the following:
1. Find out why he isn't prepared to say anything.
2. Make sure he has seen really seen evidence of the credit card being abused - as opposed to him just repeating rumours he may have heard.
3. Try and get him to provide you with documentary evidence if possible.
Bottom line is that you are going to be accusing someone of theft, and you need to be 100% sure that the accusation is valid.
If he is not prepared to blow the whistle I would do some combination of the following:
1. Find out why he isn't prepared to say anything.
2. Make sure he has seen really seen evidence of the credit card being abused - as opposed to him just repeating rumours he may have heard.
3. Try and get him to provide you with documentary evidence if possible.
Bottom line is that you are going to be accusing someone of theft, and you need to be 100% sure that the accusation is valid.