slowmotion
Quite dreadful
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- lost somewhere
How do you post a Streetview image here? No, it isn't a hi-jack. My problem road has wierd lane markings that I'd like to show you.
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Who has priority in the road?
- Thread starter XmisterIS
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Digital_Cowboy
New Member
- Location
- Tampa/St. Petersburg, Fl, USA
There is a part of my commute where this stuff happens quite a lot. I would have thought that if the bike gets to the restriction first, it would be good manners for the on-coming traffic to let the bike get through. Unfortunately quite a few Chelsea Mums don't seem to agree with this and burn through at race speeds leaving me with twenty inches between the gutter and the shiny wings of their tractors...
Sadly, this also happens on this side of the pond as well. I think that part of the problem is that people see us and motorcycles as being so small that we don't need as much space.
snailracer
Über Member
Actually, there is an "if or but" as far as the law is concerned.
If you turn into a road, either at a junction or a bend, and you find an oncoming vehicle already on "your" side of the road, that vehicle doesn't have to give way to you, because it was already there before it knew you were coming.
To show the actual image you have to do a screen dump. You press "Print Screen" on your keyboard, which puts the whole screen into the clipboard. Then you open up a blank page in your favourite photo editing programme and Paste. That should give you the whole page- you crop it to the bit you want then save. You can then attach the picture on here or host it on something like Photobucket.
A simpler way is to get the view you want and press the "link" button on the top right of the page. You will be given the option of choosing a link or embedding. A lot of forums don't accept HTML, I don't know if this one does, so it's usually safer to go with the link.
steve52
I'm back! Yippeee
- Location
- bottesford scunthorpe
i would prefer the spanish way
Or if you are on a Mac, Cmd-Shft-4, drag the window round the bit of the screen you want (Cmd-Shft-3 if you want the whole screen), then attach the resulting screen-cap file from your desktop
On occasions like that I have been known to stop in the road, put my foot down and stand there waiting. A driver will not hit you in those circumstances - they are just hoping to bully you out of their way - so they too are forced to come to a halt whereupon you can cycle past their now stationary vehicle. The problem with doing what you did is they will be encouraged by their success to do it again next time.
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
I've taken the mexican stand-off option too before now.... no sure I'd bother in future
The shortcoming with knowing who had right of way and who didn't in these situations, and riding accordingly to that model, is that the moral high ground is of little utility when you are sat in A&E having been squished. '"Might is right" of way' is the mindset that prevails in most drivers minds and I fear attempts by individual cyclists to educate drivers are entirely futile.
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XmisterIS
Purveyor of fine nonsense
I do agree with you, and it would have taken a lot of nerve in my situation! The guy clearly had no intention whatsoever of stopping - and if the car is untaxed and uninsured then there's little to stop him from running me over and then driving off! Scary stuff - a small percentage of the population are complete psychos.
Strangely, I rarely get bullied on my motorbike - I think it's all to do with the image of cyclists in the public's collective mind as being a bunch of eco-warrior pansies called Tarquin who couldn't slap-fight their way out of a paper bag. (Motor)bikers on the other hand, have a collective image of being mad-as-f*ck hard-nuts - so when I'm on the motorbike all I have to do is glare at drivers and watch them physically shrink into their seats! On the bicycle, however, I can shout at them all I like and they just give me the bird. Probably the same drivers too ...
If you are stopped it becomes murder or attempted murder which is much more serious than a cycling accident or fatality. Even the psychos are very unlikely to actually try to try to kill you as opposed to trying to intimidate you.
I regularly use a single track road which is used as a short cut by locals. Its long and straight with good visibility and wide enough for a car and cycle to pass each other slowly. If a car is speeding towards me I stay out in the road until it is forced to slow down and then cycle past with a "thank you for slowing down". Over a period of time it has happened less and less. I gave the same advice to a friend who was having similar trouble but tried to stay out of the way instead. They have since reported that its much better since they tried my method. So not only does it work but it can educate drivers not to take cyclists getting out of the way for granted.
Not all the highway code is law, but it does at least inform if no longer actually define the 'reasonable standard of driving' expected of motorists which is the test for careless driving (used to be ...without due care and attention, pre 2007 HC did define the standard, now circumstances taken more into account.) information here; http://www.traffic-answers.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=513.0 and here http://www.motordefenceteam.co.uk/offence-guide/careless-driving.htm, and is certainly one of the bases of assessing liability and culpability for insurance and civil claims.
HC also says that you should always yield priority in order to prevent an accident.
On my own road coming home, cars all down other side, just enough room for car and bike with maybe 1/2 metre to spare, had a Panda car zoom down and give the confused, why aren't you getting out the way look, as he squeezed me into the potholes down the side. Choose not to argue that one!
HC also says that you should always yield priority in order to prevent an accident.
On my own road coming home, cars all down other side, just enough room for car and bike with maybe 1/2 metre to spare, had a Panda car zoom down and give the confused, why aren't you getting out the way look, as he squeezed me into the potholes down the side. Choose not to argue that one!
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
Your experience is different to mine. Possibly the **** I encountered wasn't a local or someone who had seen me or other cyclists on my commute route but going front wheel to bumper with a Cayenne driver with a sense of entitlement, even when I had right of way, on a singletrack causeway ain't a lot of fun.
