Who has priority?

[ufkacbln]

To signal is to fail, gives others the chance to out-manoeuvre you. Keep them guessing, makes them wait. As a rule I follow this principle in a car as well.

A clear signal gives notice of your intention and in many cases also prevents out-maneouvering.

 

[ufkacbln]

To signal is to fail, gives others the chance to out-manoeuvre you. Keep them guessing, makes them wait. As a rule I follow this principle in a car as well.

A clear signal gives notice of your intention and in many cases also prevents out-maneouvering.

 

[BentMikey]

But let's be fair Cunobelin. Signalling left too early can lead to Arch's problem and/or a left hook, so it's usually best to signal late and briefly in this situation.

 

[BentMikey]

But let's be fair Cunobelin. Signalling left too early can lead to Arch's problem and/or a left hook, so it's usually best to signal late and briefly in this situation.

 

[Bollo]

But let's be fair Cunobelin. Signalling left too early can lead to Arch's problem and/or a left hook, so it's usually best to signal late and briefly in this situation.

That's a lesson I've learned in recent years. There's no harm in signalling left on a quiet road with nothing but a vehicle waiting on the minor road to pull out - the motorist usually appreciates it and love grows. But, if there's anything wanting to turn into the junction from the major road, usually ahead but sometimes also from behind, then I tend not to indicate. On one occasion a kind motorist thought I deserved a 'punishment pass' for not indicating, but on balance I think it prevents more grief than it causes.

In a car its different. I'll usually indicate unless there's an obvious safety advantage (IMHO!) in not doing so. I can only think of one or two places where I don't indicate by default - usually very big, multilane roundabouts at motorway junctions.

 

[Bollo]

But let's be fair Cunobelin. Signalling left too early can lead to Arch's problem and/or a left hook, so it's usually best to signal late and briefly in this situation.

That's a lesson I've learned in recent years. There's no harm in signalling left on a quiet road with nothing but a vehicle waiting on the minor road to pull out - the motorist usually appreciates it and love grows. But, if there's anything wanting to turn into the junction from the major road, usually ahead but sometimes also from behind, then I tend not to indicate. On one occasion a kind motorist thought I deserved a 'punishment pass' for not indicating, but on balance I think it prevents more grief than it causes.

In a car its different. I'll usually indicate unless there's an obvious safety advantage (IMHO!) in not doing so. I can only think of one or two places where I don't indicate by default - usually very big, multilane roundabouts at motorway junctions.

 

[mr_hippo]

The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I should have stuck a foot out and run my spd cleat down his door perhaps...

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

 

[mr_hippo]

The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I should have stuck a foot out and run my spd cleat down his door perhaps...

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

 

[TheDoctor]

Plus it get to reinforce our status on the road as somewhere just below frogs and ducklings.

 

[TheDoctor]

Plus it get to reinforce our status on the road as somewhere just below frogs and ducklings.

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

For the first bold section: so that doesn't apply to the car driver who should actually legally give way? Interesting.

As for the second one, if the car is close enough for that to happen then they deserve everything they get IMO.

 

[Sh4rkyBloke]

The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

For the first bold section: so that doesn't apply to the car driver who should actually legally give way? Interesting.

As for the second one, if the car is close enough for that to happen then they deserve everything they get IMO.

 

[summerdays]

I don't always signal for turning left - depends on the circumstances - if there is a car waiting to turn right into the same junction at about the same time I won't. If there is a car waiting for me to pass to turn out, then I will so that they know they don't have to wait for me.

And Arch if the car managed to turn in at the same time as you, you can't have been too wide.

 

[summerdays]

I don't always signal for turning left - depends on the circumstances - if there is a car waiting to turn right into the same junction at about the same time I won't. If there is a car waiting for me to pass to turn out, then I will so that they know they don't have to wait for me.

And Arch if the car managed to turn in at the same time as you, you can't have been too wide.

 

[Bollo]

The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

Hippo, you wheel this argument out with tedious regularity. As you're fond of showing off your Latin, you'll be familiar with the phrase reductio ad absurdum. Your interpretation of that section of the highway code certainly pushes the boundaries of the absurd. Arch could have avoided the incident by not riding her bike that day. She could have avoided the incident by staying at home and making cakes. There are a million and one things she might have done to avoid the incident, but that doesn't make her responsible for the incident when it happens.

As I've noted before, you're also very fond of accusing people of illiteracy. I encourage you to read Arch's OP. From her description, Arch was already performing the turn when the driver chose (as Sharkey has already noted - the driver's choice, not Arch's) to put her in danger unnecessarily .

You suggest that Arch might have let the car turn in. I've no problem with that and do it myself occasionally if the situation merits it. But Arch chose not to, and that's also reasonable and in line with the highway code. The driver chose to turn in alongside Arch and make a close pass. That's both unreasonable and against the highway code's guidelines.

Oh, please don't bother with the bit where you or lit/col pop up to tell me I've not read your post - it's getting very tired.