Who has priority?

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Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
mr_hippo said:
The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

Hippo, you wheel this argument out with tedious regularity. As you're fond of showing off your Latin, you'll be familiar with the phrase reductio ad absurdum. Your interpretation of that section of the highway code certainly pushes the boundaries of the absurd. Arch could have avoided the incident by not riding her bike that day. She could have avoided the incident by staying at home and making cakes. There are a million and one things she might have done to avoid the incident, but that doesn't make her responsible for the incident when it happens.

As I've noted before, you're also very fond of accusing people of illiteracy. I encourage you to read Arch's OP. From her description, Arch was already performing the turn when the driver chose (as Sharkey has already noted - the driver's choice, not Arch's) to put her in danger unnecessarily .

You suggest that Arch might have let the car turn in. I've no problem with that and do it myself occasionally if the situation merits it. But Arch chose not to, and that's also reasonable and in line with the highway code. The driver chose to turn in alongside Arch and make a close pass. That's both unreasonable and against the highway code's guidelines.

Oh, please don't bother with the bit where you or lit/col pop up to tell me I've not read your post - it's getting very tired.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
mr_hippo said:
The highway Code says "Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" school of thought, look st it from another viewpoint and let the car go first, why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance?
There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!"

I trust you are joking. If you are not, how would you like someone to damage your property?

Hippo, you wheel this argument out with tedious regularity. As you're fond of showing off your Latin, you'll be familiar with the phrase reductio ad absurdum. Your interpretation of that section of the highway code certainly pushes the boundaries of the absurd. Arch could have avoided the incident by not riding her bike that day. She could have avoided the incident by staying at home and making cakes. There are a million and one things she might have done to avoid the incident, but that doesn't make her responsible for the incident when it happens.

As I've noted before, you're also very fond of accusing people of illiteracy. I encourage you to read Arch's OP. From her description, Arch was already performing the turn when the driver chose (as Sharkey has already noted - the driver's choice, not Arch's) to put her in danger unnecessarily .

You suggest that Arch might have let the car turn in. I've no problem with that and do it myself occasionally if the situation merits it. But Arch chose not to, and that's also reasonable and in line with the highway code. The driver chose to turn in alongside Arch and make a close pass. That's both unreasonable and against the highway code's guidelines.

Oh, please don't bother with the bit where you or lit/col pop up to tell me I've not read your post - it's getting very tired.
 

Sh4rkyBloke

Jaffa Cake monster
Location
Manchester, UK
mr_hippo said:
The highway CC Code says "Always give way ignore Mr Hippo if it can help to avoid an incident keep you in a good mood." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" "he *may* have something interesting and useful to say this time" school of thought, look at it from another viewpoint and let the car go first save yourself the trouble. Why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance? chance is there that he will add something to the discussion that doesn't blame the OP and/or every oher cyclist on the planet?

There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!" sense of wellbeing is immense, knowing that you saved yourself a few hours of tedious argument with him about how little common sense he appears to have.
Fixed that for you.
 

Sh4rkyBloke

Jaffa Cake monster
Location
Manchester, UK
mr_hippo said:
The highway CC Code says "Always give way ignore Mr Hippo if it can help to avoid an incident keep you in a good mood." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" "he *may* have something interesting and useful to say this time" school of thought, look at it from another viewpoint and let the car go first save yourself the trouble. Why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance? chance is there that he will add something to the discussion that doesn't blame the OP and/or every oher cyclist on the planet?

There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!" sense of wellbeing is immense, knowing that you saved yourself a few hours of tedious argument with him about how little common sense he appears to have.
Fixed that for you.
 

Sh4rkyBloke

Jaffa Cake monster
Location
Manchester, UK
mr_hippo said:
The highway CC Code says "Always give way ignore Mr Hippo if it can help to avoid an incident keep you in a good mood." Instead of subscribing to the "two wheels good, four wheels bad" "he *may* have something interesting and useful to say this time" school of thought, look at it from another viewpoint and let the car go first save yourself the trouble. Why? How much of a potential danger to you is a car in front of you heading into the distance? chance is there that he will add something to the discussion that doesn't blame the OP and/or every oher cyclist on the planet?

There is also an added bonus! The driver will be thinking "Not all cyclists are bad!" sense of wellbeing is immense, knowing that you saved yourself a few hours of tedious argument with him about how little common sense he appears to have.
Fixed that for you.
 

mr_hippo

Living Legend & Old Fart
Sh4rkyBloke said:
For the first bold section: so that doesn't apply to the car driver who should actually legally give way? Interesting.
It applies to all road users.
Sh4rkyBloke said:
As for the second one, if the car is close enough for that to happen then they deserve everything they get IMO.
You heard it first here – Sh4rkyChavvyBloke says ” If the car my bike is close enough for that to happen then they I deserve everything they I get IMO. So, feel free to cause damage to his bike – he won’t mind!
Bollo said:
Hippo, you wheel this argument out with tedious regularity. As you're fond of showing off your Latin, you'll be familiar with the phrase reductio ad absurdum. Your interpretation of that section of the highway code certainly pushes the boundaries of the absurd..
I will continue to wheel out this argument until it sinks into your skull. Yes, I am familiar with that phrase but you are not!
Bollo said:
Oh, please don't bother with the bit where you or lit/col[sic] pop up to tell me I've not read your post - it's getting very tired.
OK, I won’t as you have had someone to read it to you. Also ask the person who typed the reply for you that I think it should be ‘Lit/Col’ and not ‘lit/col’.
Alien8 said:
According to Wikipedia Hippos are "ill-tempered animals" and "very aggressive towards humans" so please don't feed them.
I'll let you into a little secret but only if you promise not to tell anyone. I am not a real hippo!
 

mr_hippo

Living Legend & Old Fart
Sh4rkyBloke said:
For the first bold section: so that doesn't apply to the car driver who should actually legally give way? Interesting.
It applies to all road users.
Sh4rkyBloke said:
As for the second one, if the car is close enough for that to happen then they deserve everything they get IMO.
You heard it first here – Sh4rkyChavvyBloke says ” If the car my bike is close enough for that to happen then they I deserve everything they I get IMO. So, feel free to cause damage to his bike – he won’t mind!
Bollo said:
Hippo, you wheel this argument out with tedious regularity. As you're fond of showing off your Latin, you'll be familiar with the phrase reductio ad absurdum. Your interpretation of that section of the highway code certainly pushes the boundaries of the absurd..
I will continue to wheel out this argument until it sinks into your skull. Yes, I am familiar with that phrase but you are not!
Bollo said:
Oh, please don't bother with the bit where you or lit/col[sic] pop up to tell me I've not read your post - it's getting very tired.
OK, I won’t as you have had someone to read it to you. Also ask the person who typed the reply for you that I think it should be ‘Lit/Col’ and not ‘lit/col’.
Alien8 said:
According to Wikipedia Hippos are "ill-tempered animals" and "very aggressive towards humans" so please don't feed them.
I'll let you into a little secret but only if you promise not to tell anyone. I am not a real hippo!
 

mr_hippo

Living Legend & Old Fart
Sh4rkyBloke said:
For the first bold section: so that doesn't apply to the car driver who should actually legally give way? Interesting.
It applies to all road users.
Sh4rkyBloke said:
As for the second one, if the car is close enough for that to happen then they deserve everything they get IMO.
You heard it first here – Sh4rkyChavvyBloke says ” If the car my bike is close enough for that to happen then they I deserve everything they I get IMO. So, feel free to cause damage to his bike – he won’t mind!
Bollo said:
Hippo, you wheel this argument out with tedious regularity. As you're fond of showing off your Latin, you'll be familiar with the phrase reductio ad absurdum. Your interpretation of that section of the highway code certainly pushes the boundaries of the absurd..
I will continue to wheel out this argument until it sinks into your skull. Yes, I am familiar with that phrase but you are not!
Bollo said:
Oh, please don't bother with the bit where you or lit/col[sic] pop up to tell me I've not read your post - it's getting very tired.
OK, I won’t as you have had someone to read it to you. Also ask the person who typed the reply for you that I think it should be ‘Lit/Col’ and not ‘lit/col’.
Alien8 said:
According to Wikipedia Hippos are "ill-tempered animals" and "very aggressive towards humans" so please don't feed them.
I'll let you into a little secret but only if you promise not to tell anyone. I am not a real hippo!
 

winter_racer

New Member
Arch said:
I'd riding along a main road in a village, with turning off to the left ahead. Who has priority, me, turning left into it, or the oncoming car turning right into the same turning? (with no other traffic behind me to hold them up)

I assumed me, but the driver seemed to have other idea, since he turned in right alongside me, with about a foot to spare beside me. I should have stuck a foot out and run my spd cleat down his door perhaps... Unless he was right...

You do as he has to cross your lane.
 

winter_racer

New Member
Arch said:
I'd riding along a main road in a village, with turning off to the left ahead. Who has priority, me, turning left into it, or the oncoming car turning right into the same turning? (with no other traffic behind me to hold them up)

I assumed me, but the driver seemed to have other idea, since he turned in right alongside me, with about a foot to spare beside me. I should have stuck a foot out and run my spd cleat down his door perhaps... Unless he was right...

You do as he has to cross your lane.
 

winter_racer

New Member
Arch said:
I'd riding along a main road in a village, with turning off to the left ahead. Who has priority, me, turning left into it, or the oncoming car turning right into the same turning? (with no other traffic behind me to hold them up)

I assumed me, but the driver seemed to have other idea, since he turned in right alongside me, with about a foot to spare beside me. I should have stuck a foot out and run my spd cleat down his door perhaps... Unless he was right...

You do as he has to cross your lane.
 

Sh4rkyBloke

Jaffa Cake monster
Location
Manchester, UK
mr_hippo said:
You heard it first here – Sh4rkyChavvyBloke says ” If the car my bike is close enough for that to happen then they I deserve everything they I get IMO. So, feel free to cause damage to his bike – he won’t mind!
Oh, my sides are splitting. No, really. xx(

No idea what you are trying to say here, but as it's from you then it's probably not worth bothering about so I'll just leave it for others to be similarly confused about.

Next thread.
 
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