Who's to blame for this tragic collision?

[Bonefish Blues]

[QUOTE 4559892, member: 9609"]I thought carrying oil was a thing of the past, I haven't done it for years, I haven't even had a vehicle that needs topped up in between services for years either. It certainly used to be a problem, I remember driving vehicles that needed topped up with a gallon every other day.[/QUOTE]
There have been lots of instances of the newer Audi engines (not the one in this sad event) using a great deal of oil. Audi says anything up to 1 litre per 1,000 miles is normal...

 

[Jody]

I find the concept of driving around in a car that is leaking fluids to the extent you need to carry them in the car is strange. And if your vehicle leaks fluids to the point you need to carry them around, that taking it on the motorway isn't the best idea.

A car doesn't have to leak fluid for it to use a substatial amount of oil and sometimes neither does it have to be defective. Audi say 1000 miles per litre is acceptable usage in modern TFSi and diesel engines. Trip from Glasgow to London and back would have you topping the car up even if checked before you set off.

Edit: @Bonefish Blues.... Snap

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Completely different. You get a puncture...you can't continue. All modern cars have an oil warning light that tells you when the oil level is getting low. Light comes on....you have plenty of time to drive home and fill up with oil in the garage, or go to a shop or wherever. No need to carry oil, just like no need to carry a jerry can of petrol.

http://www.wikihow.com/Respond-When-Your-Car's-Oil-Light-Goes-On

 

[nickyboy]

Does one not carry a raw egg to pop in a leaking radiator these days?

 

[Jody]

Completely different. You get a puncture...you can't continue. All modern cars have an oil warning light that tells you when the oil level is getting low. Light comes on....you have plenty of time to drive home and fill up with oil in the garage, or go to a shop or wherever. No need to carry oil, just like no need to carry a jerry can of petrol.

Oil warning light can also come on when losing oil pressure. Lots of people carry on home (like you would have) under this condition and end up needing a new engine when it siezes

Edit: @Bonefish Blues ..... snap again

 

[nickyboy]

http://www.wikihow.com/Respond-When-Your-Car's-Oil-Light-Goes-On

That's great but my anecdotal evidence suggests that this advice is conservative in the extreme. I've had oil warning lights come on plenty of times in all my years of driving and all I've ever done is drive home or to a garage to buy oil, whichever is closer. Everything has been absolutely fine. Please continue carrying oil around with you but I, like a lot of others I suspect, won't bother

 

[PhilDawson8270]

A car doesn't have to leak fluid for it to use a substatial amount of oil and sometimes neither does it have to be defective. Audi say 1000 miles per litre is acceptable usage in modern TFSi and diesel engines. Trip from Glasgow to London and back would have you topping the car up even if checked before you set off.

Edit: @Bonefish Blues.... Snap

Seems like a good reason to not buy an Audi. As I don't find that oil usage acceptable.

Obviously intervals vary depending on model for servicing, but a quick google suggests it's around 12 months or 19 000 miles. If you do 20000 miles per year, I don't find having to put 20L of oil in per year acceptable. For an A5 TFSi engine, that is 4x it's engine oil capacity.

Burning it's full capacity of oil in 5000 miles I don't find acceptable, with my mileage I'd have to put a litre of oil in every month.

I don't understand how that argument can be used to say oil consumption is acceptable. £40k car, and it will burn it's full capacity in less than 5000 miles. Ludicrous

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Ah sir, but it's designed to burn oil you see.

Yeah right!

 

[snorri]

I gave up carrying spare oil, water etc etc. around about the same time as I stopped checking the strength of the anti-freeze in the coolant by tasting it .

 

[Accy cyclist]

Does one not carry a raw egg to pop in a leaking radiator these days?

And a pair of stockings or tights in case the fan belt snaps.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UPOVj3iWjo

 

[steveindenmark]

I ask because although i know the driver's been found guilty, i'm slightly surprised that some people think it could've been avoided if the car wasn't there in the first place. It's more a question in response to the way people see/read, things than the outcome of the court case.

Thats a ridiculous arguement.

So what is being said here is that if it was a genuine breakdown, the driver would have avoided them.

Every accident could be avoided if the other vehicle wasnt there.

But it was. Not only was it there, it was there with its 4 way flashers working. The driver of the bus will hopefully never drive a vehicle again and will be doing heavy prison time.

 

[steveindenmark]

And a pair of tights in case the fan belt snaps.

I carry oil and water all the time and spare bulbs.

This week I have added wellies, snow shovel and heavy winter clothing and a sleeping bag, in case of breakdowns over the winter.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

i'm slightly surprised that some people think it could've been avoided if the car wasn't there in the first place.

It's probably the same people who say that the cycle accident could have been avoided if the cyclist wasn't on the road.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

I carry oil and water all the time and spare bulbs.

This week I have added wellies, snow shovel and heavy winter clothing and a sleeping bag, in case of breakdowns over the winter.

Now spare bulbs I do carry!

 

[Accy cyclist]

I carry oil and water all the time and spare bulbs.

This week I have added wellies, snow shovel and heavy winter clothing and a sleeping bag, in case of breakdowns over the winter.

What! No high viz jacket?