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downfader

extimus uero philosophus
Location
'ampsheeeer
User76 said:
Look I've told you earlier, if you want to have a dig and disagree with me, you don't have to use a smiley, it's fine. I won't be offended. It's like punching someone on the nose and giving them a tissue for the blood. By the way, you get around the swear filter by typing shit, but by the content of some of some of your post you obviously knew that.

Oh, and the Police don't tend to post vids on YouTube with deliberately provocative titles do they?

I'm not having a dig - I think you're sadly doing a good enough job of it yourself. I would genuinely hoped to have let you see the error of your statements but frankly some of what you've written.. its almost as if you're disagreeing for the sake of it.

And as Bollo said - the Police do frequently publicise video of arrests etc, many forces have put videos on youtube and their own sites.
 
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magnatom

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Actually uncle mort I think this has been a reasonable debate up until now. I have no problems with maggot, and he is more than welcome to his views. We don't agree, fair enough. Sure I think some of hi arguments are a little contrived, but nothing outrageous.

Reasoned debate is all good, and is part of what it is all about. When I first set out doing this, I though the debate would be about bad driving and treatment on the roads, it often is. However, over the last few years it has lead to debates about cycling technique (mine included!!), surveillance, road psychology, etc.

Talking is good.
 

goo_mason

Champion barbed-wire hurdler
Location
Leith, Edinburgh
User76 said:
Here Here.

It's a good old fashioned debate, shame we don't live closer so we can do it in the pub, maybe after the rugby on Saturday.

I'm sure you'd be welcome to come up and join us on the 29th March for our wee ride (and perhaps get filmed into the bargain;)), and buy us all a pint in the pub so we can have a civilised debate.....
 
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magnatom

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User76 said:
Here Here.

It's a good old fashioned debate, shame we don't live closer so we can do it in the pub, maybe after the rugby on Saturday.


Ah yes, you'll be drowning your sorrows.....:sad:
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
downfader said:
FWIW no one has a right to privacy in a public place. It would simply be unworkable.

You are factually wrong about this. The European Court decision in the case of Peck versus Regina decided that we do (even in the UK - in Germany this right is constitutional, well, it has been since 1983). Unfortunately the police in the UK don't seem to have realised this yet and the implications of this landmark decision have not yet been explored more fully in other court cases.

As for all those show which broadcast police videos and CCTV as entertainment; I think they are one of the main reasons British people think of CCTV as so normal. We've been culturally conditioned* into accepting surveillance and expecting and even enjoying it.

*this doesn't mean it was an intentional strategy, before anyone thinks I am advocating conspiracy theories.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
Flying_Monkey said:
As for all those show which broadcast police videos and CCTV as entertainment; I think they are one of the main reasons British people think of CCTV as so normal. We've been culturally conditioned* into accepting surveillance and expecting and even enjoying it.

*this doesn't mean it was an intentional strategy, before anyone thinks I am advocating conspiracy theories.

Agree with that. I'm no sort of expert on this but I have far fewer problems with what Maggers does than the use of surveillance as entertainment. Just wrapping it up in a thin veneer of education or public interest is disingenuous at best.

Without leaving myself open to a visit to the judge, I was on jury service a few months ago and was on a case based on CCTV evidence. The way that footage was presented and interpreted in a court of law was fascinating. The whole process gave me a lot of faith in our jury system but destroyed what little faith I had in the police.

And therein lies some of the problem. I have a cam partly because I have no faith in the police to take the appropriate action against a driver that, through carelessness or malice, puts me in hospital or the morgue, without having the evidence rammed down their throats. Plod seem to view their role in protecting vulnerable road users as directing traffic around the bodies.

*It is a conspiracy between the Rand Corporation and the Reverse Vampires!
 

yenrod

Guest
magnatom said:
Oh come on yenners, how can I possibly indirectly goad a driver?:sad:

By filming them...its a real 'state your case' situation this !

In one way I think its wrong BUT in another its not because I have been on the shitty end of the stick -as we all have, as cyclists- so i suppose Mags I do support you esp. in a heavy traffic'd situation as Ive said before a cyclist is a hell of a lot more open to injury/death than a car driver willever be - something some on here dont feel that is the case whatesoever ! :biggrin:
 

bonj2

Guest
Flying_Monkey said:
You are factually wrong about this. The European Court decision in the case of Peck versus Regina decided that we do (even in the UK - in Germany this right is constitutional, well, it has been since 1983). Unfortunately the police in the UK don't seem to have realised this yet and the implications of this landmark decision have not yet been explored more fully in other court cases.

As for all those show which broadcast police videos and CCTV as entertainment; I think they are one of the main reasons British people think of CCTV as so normal. We've been culturally conditioned* into accepting surveillance and expecting and even enjoying it.

*this doesn't mean it was an intentional strategy, before anyone thinks I am advocating conspiracy theories.

Bollocks. Absolute guff. Either you've completely misunderstood it, or you've chosen to apply your own interpretation to it, probably both.
to suggest that we "have the right to privacy in a public place" could transpire that we have the right to REQUIRE that people look away, it effectively implies that we have the right to not have people see us.
Which if you think about it, is completely ludicrous.
Think back to my muslim women not hving to wear a burkha analogy.
 

Bollo

Failed Tech Bro
Location
Winch
bonj said:
Bollocks. Absolute guff. Either you've completely misunderstood it, or you've chosen to apply your own interpretation to it, probably both.
to suggest that we "have the right to privacy in a public place" could transpire that we have the right to REQUIRE that people look away, it effectively implies that we have the right to not have people see us.
Which if you think about it, is completely ludicrous.
Think back to my muslim women not hving to wear a burkha analogy.

How would you feel about a horse-cam, bonj?
 

ComedyPilot

Secret Lemonade Drinker
I got a 2 foot drive by tonight with the passenger hanging out of the window calling me a tosser. All I know it was a blue corsa, 4 up, young lads, heading along the A614 towards Howden at Middleton. I only got a partial reg YY04 ???, cos I was swearing and begging them to stop to give the chav a ****** good hiding.

Basterd!!
 

montage

God Almighty
Location
Bethlehem
just watched the incident where the driver threatened to knock you off.
Brilliant response from you ;) makes me want a helmet cam.

Love how you burn down the loosers that death threat you aswell.
 

Flying_Monkey

Recyclist
Location
Odawa
bonj said:
Bollocks. Absolute guff. Either you've completely misunderstood it, or you've chosen to apply your own interpretation to it, probably both.

Oh dear. And you were doing so well. As you have been told in several other threads over recent days, you are an idiot.

First, you need to learn what a 'right' is, and how the term is understood in law. As for my interpretation of the ruling, it is derived from an intimate knowledge of the entire case, the views of the judges and of many different lawyers. And yours is based on what exactly? I don't think you know anything about it.

All rights are circumscribed. They apply to people to certain degrees with certain conditions. Of course there is no absolute right to privacy in public places. Neither I nor the ruling said that there is. The right to privacy in public places applies to intimate acts in public whose wider publication would have a negative impact upon a person's life.

It is a long story, but briefly... the original case related to a man who was mentally ill and tried to commit suicide at night with a knife. The act was caught on camera and as a result he was saved. So far so good. However the operator of the camera allowed the footage to be used for other purposes, inluding public broadcast, which allowed the person to be identified - although they masked his face, his distinctive hairstyle made him recognisable. The plaintiff successfully argued that this breached his human rights because, although he had tried to kill himself in a public place, he could legitimately expect that act to be regarded as an intimate and private act and that the operator of the camera had a duty not to publicise the footage, and had failed to protect his privacy by doing so. This ruling, which overruled the Law Lords, gives us a right of privacy in public places in England and Wales. It is a right that is probably rather limited, but as it is a right that as yet remains untested in British courts, so far as I know, we do not know how far judges will chose to interpret it, if given the opportunity to do so...

You complained on another thread that people were only thinking in black and white, but this exactly what you do. You either think something is true or 'bollocks'. You appear not to understand anything else. If you don't understand something, try asking a question (you managed this before) - there is no shame in not knowing something and trying to learn. If you try to dismiss someone who knows far more than you about a subject as talking 'bollocks' you are liable to look like an fool.
 
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