You think you are over taxed? What about Apple?

[stearman65]

Just heard on the news Apple Ireland owe 13 billion euros in back taxes!!! Guess what their rep said, they are going to appeal, I'll bet they are.

 

[MossCommuter]

Apple a-peel?

 

[srw]

Only 13 billion? I suspect that even at Ireland's tax haven rates of corporation tax that's a bargain for them. And that this thread will vanish from the caff pdq.

And I don't think I'm overtaxed either....

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Just heard on the news Apple Ireland owe 13 billion euros in back taxes!!! Guess what their rep said, they are going to appeal, I'll bet they are.

They have every right to appeal. For whatever reason the tax code applied by Ireland was agreed upon between Apple and the nation. Several years later, the EU has decided they don't like it, and are now trying to get them to back pay what hasn't been paid. It's not on imo.

 

[Starchivore]

They have every right to appeal. For whatever reason the tax code applied by Ireland was agreed upon between Apple and the nation. Several years later, the EU has decided they don't like it, and are now trying to get them to back pay what hasn't been paid. It's not on imo.

But they can't be granted preferential tax status by the government, surely? That's got to be illegal and against trade rules. Saying one company only has to pay 1% but everyone else has to pay 12.

The government is actually appealing against getting this money back... what a world.

 

[Drago]

And despite them taking the pith out of entire countries, people still fall over themselves to line their pockets for them. Pay tax where the revenue is generated - shuffling it around the globe to a taxation regime that you quite like the look of is unacceptable.

 

[pplpilot]

http://newsthump.com/2016/08/30/bre...-eu-forces-apple-to-pay-proper-amount-of-tax/

 

[PhilDawson8270]

But they can't be granted preferential tax status by the government, surely? That's got to be illegal and against trade rules. Saying one company only has to pay 1% but everyone else has to pay 12.

The government is actually appealing against getting this money back... what a world.

Surely though, if there are EU rules to play by with regards to tax. Then the offence has been committed by the Irish government, not Apple?

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Doesn't the argument focus on where the core business is?

 

[PhilDawson8270]

Saying one company only has to pay 1% but everyone else has to pay 12.

What if the 1% of 1 company is far more cash than 12% of another? It seems like a simple business negotiation to me, and bidding to get them to operate in the company is one of looking at it.

After all, suppliers charge different companies different prices for the same goods depending on how much money they generate them.

 

[Drago]

And what if my Aunt had balls? She'd be my Uncle.

 

[Starchivore]

What if the 1% of 1 company is far more cash than 12% of another? It seems like a simple business negotiation to me, and bidding to get them to operate in the company is one of looking at it.

After all, suppliers charge different companies different prices for the same goods depending on how much money they generate them.

But this is the government. And it's not relevant that 1% of Apple's profits is far more than 12% of someone elses. Everyone should have to pay the taxrate. Apple isn't generously gifting money to the state, so no, 1% isn't right even if it is a huge amount.

 

[PhilDawson8270]

But this is the government. And it's not relevant that 1% of Apple's profits is far more than 12% of someone elses. Everyone should have to pay the taxrate. Apple isn't generously gifting money to the state, so no, 1% isn't right even if it is a huge amount.

I'd say then that we have a fundamental difference in our beliefs on how the state should operate. I can certainly see that it is far more ethical for all business to be at the same tax rate.

But I think modern governments are nothing more than businesses these days, and thus everything they do, is treated as a business transaction in my head.

 

[Starchivore]

I'd say then that we have a fundamental difference in our beliefs on how the state should operate. I can certainly see that it is far more ethical for all business to be at the same tax rate.

But I think modern governments are nothing more than businesses these days, and thus everything they do, is treated as a business transaction in my head.

I think that is definitely how the Irish government saw it, yes. I can see where you're coming from but as you say we see the state's role differently here.

 

[Hugh Manatee]

If they win the appeal, would that make it an apple turnover?