Bye Bye Bye .......... Delilah

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Half of all the songs ever written have been about men or women being "done bad" by the opposite sex. It's nothing new. Sticking a knife into somebody seems a bit extreme, but it's a great song, and one that it's not too difficult to belt out when three sheets to the wind.
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Delilah is about a woman betraying her partner by sleeping with another man.

He than cracks when taunted

It is about a crime of passion and mental health not a crime against women
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
[QUOTE 4143998, member: 45"]Don't be ridiculous. Apart from that sentence not making sense, getting angry is not a medical condition which excuses someone from murder.[/QUOTE]

ahem

"Loss of control" in the murder of unfaithful women by their male partners was considered acceptable as a reason to kill by Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge of England
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_passion
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
Getting angry is an excuse for murder - not a medical one I grant you.
 

Joey Shabadoo

My pronouns are "He", "Him" and "buggerlugs"
It still comes down to a story about a bloke who, on discovering that he has been dumped for another, kills his former lover rather than accepting her decision.

Or, as in the version I posted, it's the fantasy of what a cuckolded male imagines doing.
 

EltonFrog

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It pains me slightly, but I have to give [Smurfy] credit for a half-decent title. No-one is actually attempting to ban 'Delilah', of course, and it isn't a campaign against a song, but an illustrative example of misogyny being so cheerfully embedded in popular culture that most people don't even see it, in the context of a Commons debate about the role of men in preventing violence against women. The text of the debate is here. The pleasure involved in a Welsh rugby crowd belting out the song (goddammit, it's catchy) is a complex phenomenon that isn't reducible to a mass endorsement of the protagonist's self-justification for his violence in the lyric. Scanning rugby crowds for the men who sing it with the most gusto is going to be a lousy guide to who will and who won't beat the crap out of his partner when he gets home. Neither should singers be treated as if first-person narrative voice automatically renders them morally responsible for the acts of a fictional murderer. On the other hand I don't see why people can't be asked or prompted to think about what they are singing, even if thinking about such things compromises their pleasure. I've always found the song troubling in an undeniably enjoyable way, precisely because it's so joyously persuasive in its self-pity and victim-blaming. In this sense it's completely authentic - one of the recurring stories we continue to tell ourselves about how it's women's fault that men abuse and kill them. Barring re-writing the melody, it will take an artist with a bit more edge than Tom Jones to render it with the bitter irony it deserves, but for selling it to us straight, he is the business. It's weird that the WRU compared it to Romeo & Juliet, when the much more obvious parallel is Othello (perhaps they just aren't across their Shakespeare). There's never been anything forcing writers, directors, actors or audiences to share Othello's repugnant conviction that the tragedy is about him, and depends on Desdemona's innocence, but it's still being reliably reproduced, well into the 21st century. Popular culture is always an easier target, though.

Don't theclaud write bootiful, I don't mostly agree with what she writes (like she would give a toss anyway) but it's always intelligently and brilliantly written. I think I might have a cyber crush.
 
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Aren't nearly ALL "crimes of passion" (like that glib phrase excuses it) crimes against women?

Not in this case

Although controversial infidelity and a violent reaction is recognised in the courts equally for men and women

The song is about infidelity and the aftermath

I wonder if we would have the same fuss if the gender roles were reversed and the miscreant in the song was a woman who found her husband being unfaithful and killed by a female
 
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