52% support Highway Code retest every 10 years

[numbnuts]

Test are not there to help you pass, but to fail, say after a 10,000 people took the test and all passed
next year they will make the test harder, that is a fact of life.
Accidents don't happed, but incidents do and knowing the right answer to the question 34 paragraph 2A
won't stop it happening.

 

[Dadam]

But the NHS app does not require a face scan. The NHS app has no proof it is you, other than you are told not to share your credentials. Plus there is nothing stopping anyone authenticating themselves then letting a stand in do the online test.

The NHS App isn't a single app it's more of a portal for connecting to multiple sources.

The ID level requirements depend on the systems it's connecting to, like the system(s) your GP uses.
The highest level of identity proof for the App is P9 and I was referring to the P9 Prove Your Identity journey, just as an example.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

The NHS App isn't a single app it's more of a portal for connecting to multiple sources.

The ID level requirements depend on the systems it's connecting to, like the system(s) your GP uses.
The highest level of identity proof for the App is P9 and I was referring to the P9 Prove Your Identity journey, just as an example.

View attachment 800123

NHS app can use fingerprint and face

but most of the time I install it for people (generally several times a week for old people via AgeUK)
it is just using an email address and password

 

[Ming the Merciless]

The NHS App isn't a single app it's more of a portal for connecting to multiple sources.

The ID level requirements depend on the systems it's connecting to, like the system(s) your GP uses.
The highest level of identity proof for the App is P9 and I was referring to the P9 Prove Your Identity journey, just as an example.

View attachment 800123

But I can access my medicals details via both the NHS app and Airmid app. Neither require face id or other biometrics. Neither require me to be present if I choose to share my login credentials. Nothing to stop someone doing that for an online test at home.

“High level verification (P9) is needed when personal, confidential or sensitive information is being communicated either to or from the user. It is also required when the user can access their medical records e.g. GP record via a 3rd party – such as Co-op Health app, NHS App or TPP Airmid.”

 

[Dadam]

But I can access my medicals details via both the NHS app and Airmid app. Neither require face id or other biometrics. Neither require me to be present if I choose to share my login credentials. Nothing to stop someone doing that for an online test at home.

“High level verification (P9) is needed when personal, confidential or sensitive information is being communicated either to or from the user. It is also required when the user can access their medical records e.g. GP record via a 3rd party – such as Co-op Health app, NHS App or TPP Airmid.”

OK, the access policies do vary by practice. It's been a few years since I was involved in this area. But it was just an example. If you read my post again. I was suggesting using a P9 type mechanism, but reauthenticating at the start of each test.

To stop test fraud you'd get the user to reauthenticate at the start of the each test via a P9 level identity check with face scan like for the NHS App.

So, they create the account with the usual face scan. Then they have to do it again right at the start of the test. It's a simple option to implement which would cut down fraud somewhat because you'd need someone else physically present. Clearly it still has potential for fraud though. To prevent more you'd need some kind of online real time exam proctoring, as I mentioned.

 

[Alex321]

Careful what you wishing for here.
The logical conclusion of any kind of periodic retest is that it will apply to all road users and by extension that will include us lot. After all why should the most vulnerable be exempt from knowing the rules? And doing that is going to get very complicated very quickly with tests, age for tests, registration, insurance etc etc.

That is a very odd "logic" you are using to draw that conclusion.

By that logic, we would already have tests for cyclists, horse riders and pedestrians, since tests are already required for drivers.

Increasing that from once to periodically doesn't logically nmake the slightest6 difference to whether other road users need tests.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

So, they create the account with the usual face scan.

Now everyone needs to buy hardware capable of creating and securely storing face id details. You cannot simply use your existing PC or your tablet etc. Plus nothing stopping them looking up the answers.

 

[gbb]

Does anyone else else get a bit fed up of the relentless criticism of various subjects on the internet. If you read them and believe them, and worse expect organisations altogether act on them...cyclists would come under a lot of criticism. People love to hate and shout it out in the Internet, its the pits. I tend not to get too bothered by this weeks hate...eyesight, age, cyclists, bright headlights, i wonder what next week ?

 

[Drago]

i wonder what next week ?

Pavement parking?

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Pavement parking?

There is an app for that

 

[Dadam]

Plus nothing stopping them looking up the answers.

As I've said (3 times now): Remote Exam Proctoring. It's been around for years. Preventing fraud in online exams has been a thing since before Covid. It's not fraud proof, but then neither are face to face exams or practical tests.

Now everyone needs to buy hardware capable of creating and securely storing face id details. You cannot simply use your existing PC or your tablet etc.

Well yes you can. Anything with a webcam is sufficient for the P9 check.
But, you're conflating that scenario (where a human compares a video someone takes to the photo on their ID), with the more secure face id tech that uses a 3d depth map.

Incidentally on that subject Apple Face ID has been available since the iPhone X in 2017, and Windows Hello face recognition which uses IR webcams to map the 3d face structure, since 2015 initially on higher end laptops, and now on most business oriented laptops. I suspect therefore most people already have such hardware, were it necessary for what I suggested, which it isn't.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Well yes you can. Anything with a webcam is sufficient for the P9 check.
But, you're conflating that scenario (where a human compares a video someone takes to the photo on their ID), with the more secure face id tech that uses a 3d depth map.

I am not, most of us do not have or use web cams in our daily lives.

 

[Alex321]

I am not, most of us do not have or use web cams in our daily lives.

Maybe most people do not use them, but I think more people now are using laptops than desktops, and so most people will have webcams, whether they use them or not. I can't remember the last laptop I saw which didn't have one.

And almost everybody who has regularly worked from home as an employee will have a webcam for use in Teams/Zoom meetings.

 

[nogoodnamesleft]

It would be a very expensive experiment, that might well have no effect.

I don't know about 10 yr retest. I regard driving as a privilege not a right and if the test cost £50 then driver pays (that's £5 per year compared to the cost of 1 gallon of unleaded fuel ...)

1.It could be cheap eg online with ID verification (or eg attend a library or test centre). Do test whenever and lasts for 10 years (take at any point for 10 yrs from test date).

2. But as you say, would it be effective. I can't see it having a negative impact but how effective would depend on each driver ie effective for some and ineffective for others. Question becomes the numbers.

 

[Dadam]

I am not, most of us do not have or use web cams in our daily lives.

Don't know who you're referring to as "us" but the majority of the UK population (74%) own a laptop. The vast majority of laptops have webcams.
And 95% own a smartphone of which almost all have a camera which, if it wasn't obvious, is also suitable for a similar identity check.

But I suspect you know all this and are arguing for its own sake.