A Personal Message to Critical Mass.

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GrasB

Veteran
Location
Nr Cambridge
al78 said:
I work in an office, but one with no dress code.

I just wanted to make the point that even for moderate cycling distances it is perfectly feasible to cycle in ordinary everyday clothing, as opposed to getting fully dressed up in special clothing then having to change.

I feel that if you have to keep lugging clothes about and then change at both ends then you start to increase the faff factor and thus erode the practicalities of utility cycling.
This raises another issue, you see if I ride to work at a speed which I don't get hot/sweaty thus don't need a change of clothes I take longer than if I do a hard ride to work, cool down, shower & change. Oh & I can get to work quicker for the same effort level so take even more time off my total commute
 

chap

Veteran
Location
London, GB
Twenty Inch said:
Oh what utter nonsense Chap. What good would a Saturday afternoon ride on the Thames path do for the hundreds of us who cycle in rush hour twice a day? CM says to people "Cyclists are traffic too" - we have a right to be on the road, and to be safe on the road. The anger that sometimes erupts is a function of how cyclists' everyday experience is one of inconsiderate, dangerous, and at times deliberately threatening, driving.

Bloody namby-pamby "don't annoy anyone and then they'll take notice of us, let's be better than them and then at least we'll be on the moral high ground, even as we're under their wheels" - that's really going to work, isn't it?

CM invites people to contemplate a life and a city with fewer cars once a month. Some people get irate, on both sides, but it is generally a life-affirming event, which changes our cityscape for the good and gets a positive message across. There are drivers who will never get it, but we're never going to reach everyone.


Surely if this is a commuting solution, then the rides would be less leisurely, they would be more frequent (Monday to Thursday / Friday), and the dis-organisation would have an aim. Instead, this is a ride held once a month during rush hour, on a Friday. There are some which are held on Saturday mornings so, I think that also works against your commuter point.

If people wanted safety in numbers, then there are initiatives which take place such as the London Cycle Campaigns 'bike train'. This was aimed at luring more commuters onto their bikes, where 2 volunteers - one at the front, the other at the back, would have set routes from the outskirts to key central locations. They would go past safe and convenient (read as quick and direct) routes picking up people as they progressed to the end. Why can't this be emulated in other areas crying out for safer bicycle commuting - i.e. presumably the places where Critical Mass operates. Then there are the genuine organic Critical Masses which take place, e.g. the largish groups of cyclists one can see on key routes across Central London during morning and afternoon rush hour.

Fighting fire with fire is more effective than fighting it with sticks then dispersing. Do you really think the way to fight a more powerful foe is to irk them on a monthly basis and then scatter, hoping that they have learnt their lesson?

Surely the most effective means would be to utilise a united front of considerate, mature individuals who can then articulate their concerns appropriately, bringing on board key members, and exercising the rights and functions of a democratic society. For this, we have MPs, local councillors, cycle organisations (albeit rather ineffective on the campaign front), and (the) media. Compare this to joining in with a bunch of sanctimonious reprobates who annoy everyone around them, including those using public transport.

If CM is a means to envisage a better life without cars, then this once again begs the question of why they host the rides at rush hour. Surely an early morning run would be much more appropriate, or organised trips to car-free developments, or even cities which show consideration to cyclists such as most of those in the Netherlands, or even Paris. These acts would stoke the flames of its participants much more effectively than what it currently does as a petulant adrenaline-fuelled binge.

Critical Mass, is intentionally evasive of their underlying motive, they say that everyone comes to it with their own ideas of what it should be. Now that is complete and utter nonsense. One would be more effective holding an organised demonstration where everybody was allowed to protest their own point; as you can imagine that would be a disaster, as is currently the case with Critical Mass.
 

Titan yer tummy

No meatings b4 dinner!
chap said:
Surely the most effective means would be to utilise a united front of considerate, mature individuals who can then articulate their concerns appropriately, bringing on board key members, and exercising the rights and functions of a democratic society. For this, we have MPs, local councillors, cycle organisations (albeit rather ineffective on the campaign front), and (the) media. Compare this to joining in with a bunch of sanctimonious reprobates who annoy everyone around them, including those using public transport..........

......Critical Mass, is intentionally evasive of their underlying motive, they say that everyone comes to it with their own ideas of what it should be. Now that is complete and utter nonsense. One would be more effective holding an organised demonstration where everybody was allowed to protest their own point; as you can imagine that would be a disaster, as is currently the case with Critical Mass.

Well said Mr Chap. I'm with you.
 

thomas

the tank engine
Location
Woking/Norwich
Debian said:
IMHO CM achieves nothing except to alienate non-cyclists further.

The CMs I went on were greeted by cheers from many peds, and friendly toots from drivers too! I doubt they were all cyclists.
 

BentMikey

Rider of Seolferwulf
Location
South London
thomas said:
The CMs I went on were greeted by cheers from many peds, and friendly toots from drivers too! I doubt they were all cyclists.

+1. There is lots of good will and fun, and bad too. It does rather seem that some are so radically biased that they can't see both sides.

p.s. Let's stop with the long posts please. In the same line as the breathless post from another user, these very long posts make me just skip to the next one.
 
BentMikey said:
+1. There is lots of good will and fun, and bad too. It does rather seem that some are so radically biased that they can't see both sides.

Ooooh get you.

BentMikey said:
p.s. Let's stop with the long posts please. In the same line as the breathless post from another user, these very long posts make me just skip to the next one.

Ok Mr Board Moderator.
 

chap

Veteran
Location
London, GB
In praise of soundbites?

BentMikey said:
p.s. Let's stop with the long posts please. In the same line as the breathless post from another user, these very long posts make me just skip to the next one.


-1
 
BentMikey said:
p.s. Let's stop with the long posts please. In the same line as the breathless post from another user, these very long posts make me just skip to the next one.
Oh I'm glad its not just me that does that ;)
 

Sheffield_Tiger

Legendary Member
I have mixed feelings

I used to CM regularly - years ago. At that point, the group that was Pedal Pushers were quite heavily involved and moderated the hippy "blanket ban on all cars now" Earth First! types, so it was a mix and it balanced out into quite a civilised affair.

I was on the fringe of that kind of movement, but never really being that extreme, I knew a few who went on with that kind of agenda. And to be honest, I was drawn to protests at that time anyway ("Rent-A-Mob" in the Daily Mail's words, though no rent was ever paid and I did believe in what I was doing.

Apart from one specific CM which was aimed at addressing the issue of tram-tracks, public transport was always allowed through (not denying that it could be delayed by the "knock-on" effect)

It was enjoyable but not sure what it achieved, looking back older and (arguably) wiser...

I think I'd have to participate again in one to really decide whether it had merits...
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
hackbike 666 said:
You don't like being called nasty names but repeatedly refer to car drivers as "Motons". Pots and kettles spring to mind, rapildly followed by 'oh grow up'

Hang on,when I use the moton term it's not meant in a nasty way from me and I didn't think it was an insult.

fair do's but do you think BFB was using it in a friendly joshing way?

I always read that word the same way as downfader and the analogy still stands, Bfb was complaining that s/he is not as described by motorists and then is using terminology of dubious origin which I've never seen outside of postings here and on other bike forums in posts which are invariably uncomplimentary to motorists.

I don't see then need to make up words which have an unpleasant feel to them to describe people; 99% of who are doing exactly the same as me, just trying to get from A to B only with a different vehicle; when there are several perfectly viable words and combinations that describe them without implied prejudice or inflection already.
 

shouldbeinbed

Rollin' along
Location
Manchester way
ttcycle said:
Ok to move this on a bit- if CM isn't the way to do it for those of you in that camp- what are the suggestions? This is where armchair philosophising does not interest me- what can and will you do to create that change? It is all too easy to say oh some guy can do it for me. Change will never happen that way - what is the answer?

I've already alluded to this in my posts, I'm not a fan of sheer unexplained negativity (poss why I'm not a CM fan) without a but you could do....

I've advocated engaging in dialogue with the movers and shakers. Every unitary authority in Greater Manchester has a cycling officer and a council run and attended cycling forum/BUG - Shift work prevents me from attending mine anymore but I've been there and done my bit when I was able to.

As to employers, read what I wrote, encourage C2W, push the green agenda-highlight the likleyhood of grants for environmentally friendly projects such as bike sheds, for larger employers set up a BUG at work, push for adequate provision inside and outside of the building.
Contact the local chamber of commerce ask to speak to a meeting or contribute an article to their trade magazine.

Actually communicate professionally and civilly using real live words with people that have the power to effect changes rather than riding round deliberately slowly blocking the roads with no message as to the reasons given out there and then - or if there is a message it is the yobbo element snarling and spitting (metaphorically hopefully) at any motorist unfortunate to come up against bike-a-mob.

The Manchester CM is an unknown phenomenon outside of interested cyclists- I've never seen any media coverage of it happening, nor any sort of media marketing by the organisers, inviting participation, giving fair warning to motorists that may be around at the time or explaining the rationale behind it.
 
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