A random question on TV licencing…

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ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
When Hebden Bridge went through the digital switchover last September, my ex decided not to go with it. She phoned the TV licensing people and told them that she has an analogue TV that no longer receives an analogue TV signal and which will therefore only be used for watching DVDs. Apart from that, she would be using the internet players. They said fine, just make sure you never watch anything 'live' online. (Do they ever stream programmes live?)
 

ASC1951

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
So if you inserted a device that slowed the broadcast signal down by a few seconds, you wouldn't need one, as you're no longer watching programmes "As they're being shown on TV"
Of course you would, you muppet. :smile:

The point is that you are receiving the signal in real time. What you are suggesting is no different from recording a live broadcast and watching it the next day, for which you certainly need a licence.
If you have a TV which is physically capable of receiving a signal, no sensible person is going to believe that you never use it for live broadcast; and the legal onus to disprove it is on you.
 

ayceejay

Guru
Location
Rural Quebec
Regarding removing aerial: I had it in authority that the Dr Who van with the space age detector mounted on the top was a ruse. I was told that they assume that every household has a TV with or without an aerial therefore anyone without a license was cheating.
 

rollinstok

Well-Known Member
Location
morecambe
I havent had a TV for years now and dont miss it in the slightest.
After several letters from TV Licensing threatening fines of up to a £1000 and each letter getting nastier, I wrote back to them.
I said that I would gladly allow any inspector into my home with this condition- I would pay the £1000 fine if they find anything, they give me £1000 if they dont.
Never heard back.
 

400bhp

Guru
Would watching TVcatchup count as live tv?

Agree with Marinyork-only a matter of time that internet players are swept up in the licence.
 

marinyork

Resting in suspended Animation
Location
Logopolis
Would watching TVcatchup count as live tv?

Agree with Marinyork-only a matter of time that internet players are swept up in the licence.

Fortunately the main sort of driver ultimately for this kind of thing are charters and they are every ten years. But still, it isn't that far away.

As one of the beta testers of the archive, it is with great sadness that that seems to be the direction that is going too. Funnily enough by amazing coincidence this was talked about for being in place for the next charter.
 

hotmetal

Senior Member
Location
Near Windsor
If they make internet players licensable, then they will have to have some sort of login. Otherwise they'd have to charge everyone (and probably every office) with a computer.

Personally, like rollinstok (#20) I also haven't had a TV for years and don't miss it. For one, I'm never in, being either at work, out socialising, or on one of my bikes. If I'm at home I've got a stack of music to spin. If I want to settle down with birdage and watch something, we bung a DVD in the computer. (No adverts! No wannabe z-listers! No bad news!)

My point to the licensing people went along the lines of:
I have told you repeatedly that I do not have a television. Your recent barrage of threatening letters I find offensive. That is no way to treat a customer, even supposing I were a customer. I know you find it hard to believe that there is a house without a telly. However, being a small minority doesn't make me a liar. I despise and reject over 50% of what you produce. The remaining percentage I am willing to sacrifice for more social or gainful activities. I accept that some people like it but I do not wish to fund its production and dissemination. Why would I waste my time watching cheaply-made formulaic mental chewing gum or UnReality guff like Why-Factor, I'm a Wannabe, Get Me on Telly, Poncing Around on Ice, MasterFoodCantCookCanSwear, Bigbitchysister or some awful depressing soap that removes any residual faith in human nature that I may have had? You are welcome to send your heavies inspectors round again; they will find neither a television nor an aerial. Most likely, they will find that I am not in, just like the last time they came and left their little card. Despite it being my right to refuse entry to them without a warrant, I have generously offered for them to arrange a time to come, such that they may carry out their inspection successfully. However, you have rejected this offer on the basis that you do not trust me. That being the sole basis of our 'relationship', I look forward to an immediate cessation of contact from your organisation. Failing that, you will just have to keep sending your minions on wasted journeys. Which would be a waste of this precious revenue you wish to collect. Your choice. Now please either leave me alone or readjust your notion of customer service: due to the unique way in which the BBC is funded, you are harassing innocent non-customers.

Strangely enough, after this, they accepted that I don't have a telly and watch stuff. Now I just have to reply every 2 years to something that asks me whether I have succumbed to mass culture and peer pressure and bought myself a telly. I wish I'd have thought of rollinstok's "I would pay the £1000 fine if they find anything, they give me £1000 if they don't." That is genius!
 

Bluenite

New Member
Location
Here
TV detector vans are just for show. The way the inspectors find out if you have a TV are.
1. Asking.
2. Looking through your window.
3. Listening through your letter box.

http://www.bitterwallet.com/tv-licensing-detector-vans-menace-or-myth/5516

 

classic33

Leg End Member
Regarding removing aerial: I had it in authority that the Dr Who van with the space age detector mounted on the top was a ruse. I was told that they assume that every household has a TV with or without an aerial therefore anyone without a license was cheating.


You buy a new TV, the shop selling it has a form to fill in. Your name, address & other details. This is then sent off & they work from there.

It is at present the only area where you are assumed guilty before having a chance to prove otherwise. They work on the principle that every house has at least on TV.

Does it still cover the use of radios?
 

classic33

Leg End Member
Regarding removing aerial: I had it in authority that the Dr Who van with the space age detector mounted on the top was a ruse. I was told that they assume that every household has a TV with or without an aerial therefore anyone without a license was cheating.


You buy a new TV, the shop selling it has a form to fill in. Your name, address & other details. This is then sent off & they work from there.

It is at present the only area where you are assumed guilty before having a chance to prove otherwise. They work on the principle that every house has at least on TV.

Does it still cover the use of radios?
 

Doseone

Guru
Location
Brecon
I was under the impression (possibly mistakenly having read posts above) that the tax license was for owning equipment capable of receiving a live tv signal - the fact that you couldn't receive a signal (because of geography / topography or any other reason) or chose not to receive a signal (i.e. didn't watch telly) is irrelevant.

This goes back to run ins my parents had with TV Licensing in the late 80's though, when they moved to an area where there was no tv signal, but owned a tv and video player to watch shows that other people would record for them.
 

machew

Veteran
You buy a new TV, the shop selling it has a form to fill in. Your name, address & other details. This is then sent off & they work from there.

It is at present the only area where you are assumed guilty before having a chance to prove otherwise. They work on the principle that every house has at least on TV.

Does it still cover the use of radios?
Buying a TV for a friend, I was asked for my name and address, I replied do you want my name and address or the name and address of where the TV is going. Cue one call to the shop floor manager, then one to the manager, then told just pay and go
 
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